Hello Users of Hexbear I wanted to have a featured post discussing the next
steps for federation. We have discussed this at length among the mod team, and
it is pretty much evenly split between federating based on a "block-list" or
federating based on an "allow-list". While the mod team slightly skewed in favor
of federating using a block-list, meaning that any instance not specifically
blocked will be able to link with hexbear.net, we will be starting with an
allow-list. What this means is that only instances specifically on our
allow-list will be able to link with us, there are a few reasons for this. We
wanted to slowly integrate into the fediverse to see what it would mean for
hexbear.net's culture as well as how we fit into the wider fediverse. We also
wanted to minimize the instances have not blocked threads, or does not block the
reactionary/fash/pedo instances.
I was honestly suprised to discover that most lemmy instances block lemmygrad.ml
but do not block the reactionary/pedo instances, sad. Here is a tenative list of
what our allow-list would look like: lemmy.world/instances ,
https://possumpat.io/instances , https://lemmy.ml/instances ,
https://sopuli.xyz/instances , https://discuss.tchncs.de/instances ,
https://lemmygrad.ml/instances , https://mander.xyz/instances ,
https://lemm.ee/instances , toots.matapocos.dog a block-list would be massive
and exhaustive to ensure that we do not federate with any pornographic,
reactionary, fascist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or csam-adjacent
instances. We will be creating a pinned post in c/hexbear where additional
instances can be nominated for addition to the allow-list.
https://www.hexbear.net/post/277506 Please see these previous posts by Nagarjuna
regarding federation: https://www.hexbear.net/post/273407 and
https://www.hexbear.net/post/273404 If you would like to officially put down
your opinion on federation, please make a comment with 🧱 if you'd like to
federate based on a block-list, a ✅ if you'd like to federate based on an
allow-list, or a 🚫 if you do not with to federate at all, this is a temprature
check and not a binding vote. Thank you and as usual off-topic comments will be
removed. Thank you for the feedback and apologies for the original emojis
chosen, the final count is 58 🧱 111 ✅ 45 🚫, please correct me if that is wrong
Hexbear is far more likely to have users entering and using our comms, being another large socialist instance, albeit dedicated to left unity rather than Marxism like ourselves. I think there is enough of a culture change that we need to have a pinned post for hexbear users coming here explaining what kind of content/attitudes they might see here/what different rules to follow
There should also be a section dedicated to explaining to lemmygrad users to respect hexbear comm rules and what to expect from their users etc.
I think this would help ease any potential cross site struggle sessions
I was really involved in it a couple years ago because I ran a West Marches DnD server that primarily recruited from Hexbear (I’m not really involved anymore but it’s still going, DM or reply and I’ll shoot you an invite). So I know a lot of the posters relatively well personally (though none of the administrators ever joined). Drama is an understatement and I think it ultimately derives from the administrators feeling like they need to personally intervene in every little issue, inevitably blowing it up into massive proportions.
The one moment that has stuck with me is when a user (who was a common player in our DnD server, we’ll call her Tammy) made a post mildly criticizing another poster who was making overly saccharine “You are all so valid ❤” posts literally every single day. Basically saying “Hey I get you mean to be nice but this is just annoying”. The other user made a big, long “THIS IS WHY I’M LEAVING HEXBEAR!!!” post and Tammy ends up being not only banned (with a snarky ban message) but accused of being a TERF. TAMMY WAS A TRANS WOMAN. She was eventually unbanned and the conversation got turned into “Making allowances for our Neurodivergent members” which is basically saying “You were in the wrong but it’s okay because you’re a r*tard.”
Half of the people in our DnD server who were active in Hexbear would eventually be banned; most (myself included) just stopped using it at some point.
For what it’s worth, as long as we get to keep our downvotes and I don’t have to NSFW-tag my meatposting, I don’t really mind, if anything it’ll be fun to laugh at them when they come in here and complain.
I feel like people who complain about the vegans are sus. As evidenced by the “plant-based beer”, reactionaries want to oppress them. So we as communists should protect them, I’d say.
I don’t have anything against Vegans who don’t expect me to change my behavior to accommodate them, but Veganism is a political ideology, not an unchangeable personal identity.
I don’t like it when people put subcultures (esp. Veganism or Furrydom) on par with actual marginalized groups (whether by ethnicity, religion, gender or sexuality, etc.). Hating furries makes you rude. Hating trans people makes you a bigot. How reactionaries care about either group doesn’t enter into the equation at all; I don’t like someone just because bigots hate them. Even the bigot clock is right twice a day.
Vegans believe that animals have many of the same rights as people. I like some animals (I have a pet cat I love like family), but I fundamentally believe that animals are property and should not have rights beyond that except where their mistreatment negatively impacts humans. These are irreconcilable differences in opinion and while I’ve never gone out of my way to vegan-hate, I want to be able to use Lemmygrad without their interference.
I was really involved in it a couple years ago because I ran a West Marches DnD server that primarily recruited from Hexbear (I’m not really involved anymore but it’s still going, DM or reply and I’ll shoot you an invite). So I know a lot of the posters relatively well personally (though none of the administrators ever joined). Drama is an understatement and I think it ultimately derives from the administrators feeling like they need to personally intervene in every little issue, inevitably blowing it up into massive proportions.
The one moment that has stuck with me is when a user (who was a common player in our DnD server, we’ll call her Tammy) made a post mildly criticizing another poster who was making overly saccharine “You are all so valid ❤” posts literally every single day. Basically saying “Hey I get you mean to be nice but this is just annoying”. The other user made a big, long “THIS IS WHY I’M LEAVING HEXBEAR!!!” post and Tammy ends up being not only banned (with a snarky ban message) but accused of being a TERF. TAMMY WAS A TRANS WOMAN. She was eventually unbanned and the conversation got turned into “Making allowances for our Neurodivergent members” which is basically saying “You were in the wrong but it’s okay because you’re a r*tard.”
Half of the people in our DnD server who were active in Hexbear would eventually be banned; most (myself included) just stopped using it at some point.
For what it’s worth, as long as we get to keep our downvotes and I don’t have to NSFW-tag my meatposting, I don’t really mind, if anything it’ll be fun to laugh at them when they come in here and complain.
I feel like people who complain about the vegans are sus. As evidenced by the “plant-based beer”, reactionaries want to oppress them. So we as communists should protect them, I’d say.
I don’t have anything against Vegans who don’t expect me to change my behavior to accommodate them, but Veganism is a political ideology, not an unchangeable personal identity.
I don’t like it when people put subcultures (esp. Veganism or Furrydom) on par with actual marginalized groups (whether by ethnicity, religion, gender or sexuality, etc.). Hating furries makes you rude. Hating trans people makes you a bigot. How reactionaries care about either group doesn’t enter into the equation at all; I don’t like someone just because bigots hate them. Even the bigot clock is right twice a day.
Vegans believe that animals have many of the same rights as people. I like some animals (I have a pet cat I love like family), but I fundamentally believe that animals are property and should not have rights beyond that except where their mistreatment negatively impacts humans. These are irreconcilable differences in opinion and while I’ve never gone out of my way to vegan-hate, I want to be able to use Lemmygrad without their interference.