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- worldnews@lemmy.ml
Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.
Exact full quote from CNN:
āPeople think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldnāt be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we havenāt lost a single American in this war,ā McConnell said. āMost of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So itās actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.ā
Donāt a lot of USians actively defend the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, even Vietnam?
As a burger muncher, finally, Iām qualified for something!
Iraq: some, but not that many. Itās kind of attempted to be forgotten about it seems. The few who do defend it will make undefined arguments to the tune of āSaddam was bad (they donāt mention that the US propped up Saddam until he wasnāt convenient anymoreā¦ oops), the war was moral/just but executed poorly.ā I donāt think I need to spend energy further on this genocidial, dogshit mentality. A lot of it hinges on strategies such as āmake Iraq a glass bowl!ā circa 2005.
Afghanistan: generally regarded as ājustā or at least ārequiredā as a direct result of 9/11. Some warmongers still say it was correct for Biden to finally leave, but he did it wrongā¦ somehow. They canāt explain how. They just wanted the war to go on forever.
Vietnam: mixed bag, but outside of insane reactionaries, the sentiment has shifted during my lifetime (in my mid 30s) from some vaguely half-ass justifiable (communism!) war that tragically killed a lot of American boys (ignoring the Vietnamese deaths as per usual) BUT AMERICA DIDNT LOSE (reeeee). Now shifted to basically all of that same stuff but now many people, especially from my generation and younger, realize it was, indeed, a massive fat loss to the American military.
I think this is obvious, but in case it somehow isnāt, Iām summarizing the general vibes Iāve encountered from fellow hogs. I absolutely do not agree with them. (I have to post a disclaimer now because Iām pretty sure someone read a post similar to this by me and thought these were my opinions and responded with simply āwowā)
Pretty accurate about Vietnam and really every American intervention. The civilians murdered and raped by the US military are never centered in most Americanās regrets about war. The focus is generally always on the American deaths. The layer of American chauvanism is disappointingly thick.
Thanks!
I googled polls and I think thereās a clear majority (roughly 60-70%) that think each of them was a mistake, but thereās 25% who donāt say that about Vietnam so thatās probably a hard floor of psychos that will support any war in any context. Thatās pretty consistent with the 20% of Democrats and 30% of Republicans who support bombing Agrabah, the fictional country from Alladin.
Iād like to think we donāt have a lot of those types on here but if we do theyāre probably unreachable. But initial support for Iraq was around 80%, so a large number (possibly the majority) of USians followed the trajectory of being lured in by propaganda and then later turning against it, and those people I think are reachable if you can make them realize the same thing is happening again.
Have to remember who is getting polled as well. Nobody under 25 answers phone from unknown, they are polling land lines which assumes a certain class, many poorer people working at night when such a call would come, and they also have a tendency to poll certain districts over others.
Consent aināt gonna manufacture itself
True, polls are fake, but idk a better way to estimate it.
Rune sticks can be a bit more accurate but only under full moon with just the right amount of mist rising from the lake.
Yes they do. Theyāll āregretā the wars, but theyāll never denounce the soldiers or commanders in charge. During the initial weeks/months of the Ukrainian invasion, Biden AWARDED Vietnam war vets. He later went on to ādenounce imperialismā at a UN conference.