Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post, thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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    A well-respected terminal emulator for the Mac decides to slather on AI sauce, and most users are not happy. But there are others who are outraged that slathering AI sauce onto a product is even seen as a negative. Letā€™s take a break from HN to take a look at the tortured souls on lobste.rs who wonā€™t let this aggression stand, man:

    https://lobste.rs/s/7aglnr/psa_iterm2_now_has_chatgpt_integration

    archive link in case mods decide to nuke it

    Personal favs:

    This is the sort of hatred and resentment that is uncomfortable to see on a public forum.

    Hi, this is the internet, you must be new here.

    Iā€™m mostly checked out of here as a result until the mods get it under control.

    Donā€™t let the door hit you on the way out.


    Edit as a bonus, hereā€™s the HN discussion. Same situaton there, the promptfondlers are surprised everyone is mad

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      I donā€™t like AI hype either but I donā€™t feel the need to use Lobsters to rally groups of people to mass punish projects who add optional AI-friendly features. That is quite disturbing.

      ok. I tried writing something sarcastic and sneery but alas, I donā€™t think I can mock this person hard enough to satisfy my ethical obligation.

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        Smearing the developer as ā€œai-brainedā€ is hateful.

        wake up babe new slur just dropped

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          Soon they will discover that they can use AI to autogenerate new minority definitions for them and we on the left will be powerless to stop them.

          (We will mock them for it, and tell them this new made up thing doesnā€™t count, but we cannot stop them).

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      Saw this update yesterday and it pissed me really off. Iā€™ve been using iTerm for almost 20 years at this point and itā€™s a really good and well-integrated terminal application for Mac OS, and no one asked for it to add spicy autocomplete.

      Thereā€™s a fork already, lol.

      Or maybe Iā€™ll just move over to Alacritty. I use that one my Linux machines and itā€™s actually good, but the attitude of some of the developers when it comes to feature requests and contributions really makes me like it less than I could.

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      tbh the enforced civility and de facto ban on social issue discussion on lobste is not helping. (but after last ā€œpolite discussionā€ i had with the moderator iā€™m not going to bring it up anymore, just suspend the account or wait to be banned.)

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        yeah frankly that sort of shit is why I havenā€™t even tried to get a lobsters account

        bullshit should be called out as bullshit at any point in time. dressing it up in niceties is playing the wrong game, and has been abused by the worst people around for years

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      Noooooooooooooo! Argh, Iā€™ll have to seriously consider using the fork FML.

      EDIT: Not strictly required since apparently you have to provide an API key for it to be enabled, still itā€™s not encouraging that the main developer thought this would be a good idea.

      Youā€™ve got to love the prompt jank: https://github.com/gnachman/iTerm2/commit/755dc2ed881d853f495ffaea2498452915e5e8cd?diff=split&w=0

      EDIT 2: Given direct access to bad AI code to a dev workstation is bad enough, but given that the console is a primary way to connect to servers, where more havoc could be wrought, this is terrifying, I mean sure devs were already capable of bricking enviromnents, but supercharging ā€œknowing just enough to be dangerousā€ is NOT a good idea.

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      for people who thought this might not be related to the llm brainworms, the reasoning of the iterm2 author for inclusion of the feature (when promptedy by @gerikson@awful.systems) :

      I got a number of requests. I also got tired of copy-pasting things to ChatGPT. Usually if I find a feature useful, other people do, too.

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          The whole debacle astounds me. Is there a more universally privileged application users frequently use than the shell? As a general rule it can elevate privs to full control far more aggressively than any other commonly used application, with minimal sandboxing at most.

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            Inorite? Even if there was the requirement of an API key being enabled that was only revealed after some time. If smeone says ā€œmy terminal has GPT nowā€ of course your mind goes to it outputting sudo rm -rf / for some random prompt.

            Edit nevertheless I am thankful because Iā€™ve had a lot of fun identifying promptfondlers on lobste.rs and pointing and laughing at them.

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      thanks for mentioning this, Iā€™m definitely going to have to nack that update and send a gfy mail

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        query mail sent

        hell, if anyone else is curious to also poke:

        I presume I'm not the first nor (will I be the last) to ask about this,
        but for the weight of the argument it's still worth asking
        
        are you planning on keeping the openai garbage directly integrated in
        iterm2? and "just turn it off with a setting" isn't a good answer tbh
        
        I don't want it in the terminal I use. I don't want it in any software I
        touch. openai are a deceptive abuse company led by an abusive liar, and
        it saddens me to see yet another good thing get taken up in the hype
        these charlatans drive
        
        no "I've been $x for $y" pleading arguments here, I don't want to try
        bend your ear with any number of platitudes and such you've heard from
        others - just straight-up asking the above
        
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      Update 4 days later, the main Karen in charge of the promptfondlers is calling for the banning of users impertinent enough to flag their comments.

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    GNU+Linux user just wonders whether medical technology is bad for humanityā€™s long term survival because hereditary diseases can be survived and spread, but wouldnā€™t want anyone to misunderstand.

    Itā€™s nice to know we have looped back to the point in history where we casually consider which people should have agency over their reproductive rights. Oh wait, no itā€™s not nice at all, but somehow still totally acceptable and commonplace.

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        Sorry, im a habitual contrarian about this movie (good for that poster that they commit to not do an idiocracy and use tools that helps people, for example searching for the name of a movie), but reminder that that movie is basically utopian as it takes place 500 years in the future, and the American way of life is still going strong, and the problem of the food crisis is basically solved in a week.

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          I think that the movie is just a shallow criticism of Bush-era conservativism and 90s ā€œtrash TVā€ (that was already in decline by this time). Interrogating the implications of its scifi premise feels like not meeting the movie where itā€™s at, which is an optimism (alien to me) that the USA is fundamentally sound and only needs a nominally reasonable Joe American to keep the levers of power away from Those Guys.

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            It is. It isnā€™t that deep I know, just wanted to point out a small thing which the people who hyperfocus on the semi-eugenics argument seem to always miss in the ā€˜cbt (link SFW, some links on that page are not however) is funnyā€™ movie.

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      Also someone bringing up ā€œpopulation collapseā€ which is a recent(?) right-wing/techbro trope. Everything about everyone expressing worries about ā€œsub replacement birth ratesā€ screams ā€œwe must prevent people with wombs from making their own decisions about whether to have kidsā€.

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        A good portion of online rw politics is just a desparate cry for pussy blanketed with callous dogma.

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      I donā€™t know anything about evolution or genetics, and Iā€™m pretty sure this guy doesnā€™t either. Why would everyone become disabled because more disabled people survive and pass on their genes to their kids? We donā€™t stone gingers to death and yet we are not all having red-headed kids.

      The repeated use of the word ā€œweakā€ (as opposed to ā€œsickā€ or ā€œdisabledā€) seems revealing.

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        I canā€™t say for sure that he thinks of genetics as bloodlines, and is concerned about its purity, but I can have my suspicions.

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      extremely weird shit across the board from that user. account claims to be ā€œ18Mā€ and running ā€œmanjaro and mintā€, and then has a shell on sdf.org? along with the posts, ā€œYes, Iā€™d prefer not being resuscitated. If I am finally dead, let it stay that wayā€ just from that thread (and a number of other choice entries elsewhere in their history)

      like come the fuck on, can it be more sus

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        How is having an SDF account weird? Because itā€™s for olds? Or theyā€™re hardcore BSDers?

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          just fishy in aggregate. I wouldnā€™t say so much ā€œbecause for oldsā€ as ā€œitā€™s far more likely for old(er)s to want something like thatā€. combine that with the wide array of other posts the account has engaged with, and the bio just wholly looks like bullshit to me

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            I mean I did fuck around on some public VAX hosted things and such in the early 00s, so itā€™s not impossible for this to be a true thing, but yeah. just smells off

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            I agree that itā€™s fishy in this instance, but dig around in the ā€œsmol webā€ subculture (gemini protocol, etc) and youā€™ll find plenty of youngs who live in shellsā€¦ cf. tilde.town

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      I mentioned this in the last weekly thread, but check out the 5th citation in their example paper (the one that says nothing in particular about type 2 diabetes)

      T. Schnurr, Hermina Jakupovi, Germn D. Carrasquilla, L. ngquist, N. Grarup, T. Srensen, A. Tjnneland, K. Overvad, O. Pedersen, T. Hansen, and T. Kilpelinen. Obesity, unfavourable lifestyle and genetic risk of type 2 diabetes: a case-cohort study. Diabetologia, 63:1324ā€“1332, 2020.

      I left a HN comment that they got the names wrong for Hermina Jakupović, GermĆ”n D Carrasquilla, Lars Ƅngquist, Thorkild SĆørensen, Anne TjĆønneland, and Tuomas O KilpelƤinen. They thanked me for my ā€œthoroughā€ review (read: I glanced over it for giggles at like 2 AM).

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      All of AI is just this. A boring personā€™s idea of creativity. A managerā€™s idea of programming. A stupid personā€™s idea of science.

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    reporter: This AI development is a Big Dealā„¢.

    me: y tho?

    reporter: Oh, Iā€™m so glad you asked! The AI is IN the computer!

    me: y tho?

    reporter: To win the race to get AI everywhere the fastest!

    me: sorry, y tho?

    reporter: Oh my, you sure have a lot of questions! Look, letā€™s not try to make any sense of this. After all, only our tech-daddies have the answers!

    me: begins weeping

    reporter: Donā€™t cry! At least weā€™re all in this together, right???

    While AI being ā€œinā€ a computer might sound as obvious as blue being ā€œinā€ the sky, this is actually one of those things that is a Big Dealā„¢. AI models are normally either downloaded or used online, but Microsoft has just announced an ā€œAI computerā€, meaning the technology is in-built. Itā€™s the companyā€™s latest play in the overheated race to see which tech giant can get the most AI into the most places, fastest.

    What does it mean? Hard to say! In case you havenā€™t worked it out yet, this is all one big live experiment, and weā€™re the rats. Perhaps thereā€™s some comfort in knowing weā€™ll all find out together.

    edit: oh no, this is the same author I sneered at for quirkwashing e/acc. nothing personal, I just die a little inside every time I read something like this, and a little death is always better shared!

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      I started pre-hurting in 2018-2019 when I saw SoC vendors pitch things as AI chips because you could natively run accelerated models on them for speech and image recognition. Yes, really, that was the total pitch. Itā€™s AI because you could run models. Where to train the models, what the total scope of capacity was, total execution space, total throughput, etc? No no, not practically touched at all in those docs

      And where I said pre-hurting? At the time I thought ā€œoh godā€ā€¦.you can imagine how quaint that memory feels in retrospect right now

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        oh yeah doing embedded dev that was always the worst. my RISC-V SoC has an AI accelerator on it! cool, what does the datasheet say it does? TensorFlow lite and nothing else. ok maybe I can use that silicon for something else at least? nope, thereā€™s no documentation on its capabilities or how it works at all, it just does TensorFlow lite. shit well ok, what can I do with TensorFlow lite? you can load the example model weā€™ve provided and make a shitty voice activation trigger or try to train a model but thereā€™s no docs. well fuck me then.

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          And donā€™t you dare ask about the intended binary representation, thatā€™s obviously some illegal hacker shit

          Just render it out with lite! What do you mean about in 3-5y? Software doesnā€™t change, you scrub. We have a golden master toolchain right here on our ftp, itā€™s at ftp://nonssl.http25.pub.norsou-semi-sometimes.xyz/pub/archive/noindex feel free to download and develop your own applications!

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    Scam investigator Coffeezilla is working on the Rabbit AI guy, and heā€™s off to a good start. Most of the other press is about the device not working, while this focuses more on the scammy NFT / crypto past of the founder.

    YouTube link

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      the follow-up video is fucking scathing, and Iā€™d like to take a moment to remember all the orange site posters who were fucking wrong when they pretended the rabbit leak was fake

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      Surprise Aella reference in those HN comments! (well, surprise that one commenter noted ā€œthe Bay Areaā€™s most overrated escortā€, and a replier directly inferred it was her)

      Now I wonder if thereā€™s an app rating Bay Area escortsā€¦

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        Itā€™s a well recognized rule that every time Lumina comes up, someone has to mention that Aella is connected to the project. Then, someone must make a joke about Lumina adding anti-toothbrushing to her anti-showering arsenal. HN hasnā€™t caught up to the last bit yet.

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      Dude, if the product wasnā€™t safe, I wouldnā€™t be using it myself, giving it to my girlfriend, and giving it to my friends.

      Love to give off snakeoil salesman vibes in a weird faux friendly legal threat.

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      Tedium and logorrhea in the substack comments, as intended. I wonder how often people on LW use ā€œink spilledā€ and ā€œcolumn inchesā€ to describe themselves.

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        lol @ this austin chen guy, who seems to be an investor in Lumina, as well as a user of the project going like ā€œdude just get on the phone with him, Iā€™m sure he totally wonā€™t corner you with threats and such, heā€™s a great guy I swear bro!ā€

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    So who is going to be first to set up a grifty EA think tank where the thinking is admittedly all done by LLMs, and why shouldnā€™t it be us.

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      Pull a Rabbit AI and use Playwright to operate an Emacs instance running Eliza. Say that buying more infrastructure will yield better results. Pocket the money that was for supposed infrastructure investment. Profit!

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      Bold of you to think we have not already started doing this to mess with the EA/LW minds. Why do you think we suddenly talk less about all the outrageous weird shit they say on LW? We donā€™t want to out ourselves. For example

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    Kevin Beaumont got access to Copilot+ and hoo boy itā€™s even stupider than it sounds:

    I got ahold of the Copilot+ software.

    Recall uses a bunch of services themed CAP - Core AI Platform. Enabled by default.

    It spits constant screenshots (the product brands then ā€œsnapshotsā€, but theyā€™re hooked screenshots) into the current userā€™s AppData as part of image storage.

    The NPU processes them and extracts text, into a database file.

    The database is SQLite, and you can access it as the user including programmatically. It 100% does not need physical access and can be stolen.

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        you know what really fucking gets me about this thing? even ā€œbeforeā€ all of the security and DV etc arguments (and, really, they are all valid)

        consider the average consumer-human (present version of) windows desktop/laptop/workstation that has survived for more than a year or so without having been re-imaged. those are already often an unusable nightmare of built-up cruft in sticky corners

        and now thereā€™s going to be something thatā€™ll do constant capture and analysis every fucking moment itā€™s running?

        how the fuck is this not going to go wrong? imagine the first time that sqlite table shits the bed. a dodgy character format goes into it, or a bit of disk corruption hits, or a file locking (lololol) issue hits, or ā€¦

        I just ā€¦ I just really canā€™t imagine any of this is going to go very well at all in the real world

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        love how the MS shill eventually reaches:

        Okay, hereā€™s a question; when has the casual consumer ever cared about privacy?

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          every fucking time! and the answer seems to be: they care enough that privacyā€™s a core part of Appleā€™s marketing, but microsoftā€™s core competency is still managing Maslowā€™s hierarchy of needs enough that their users are on average just barely more inconvenienced by switching operating systems than they are dealing with whatever new shitā€™s being sprung on them (and this latest new shitā€™s gone from annoying to actively dangerous, so the tactic is to convince users itā€™s irrelevant to them until itā€™s made mandatory, as Microsoft does, and then the pain of suddenly switching operating systems will be even greater)

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          As someone who did come to love a lot of microsoft products despite the way I felt about them in the 90ā€™s, their slow slide into whatever they are now makes me hate them more, not less. Microsoft genuinely spent a lot of the oughts making genuinely good general purpose stuff, and they absolutely dominated at accessibility for 20 years. So when people simp for them as they destroy everything I found great about their products, instead of holding them to account, itā€™s awful.

          Guess who bought the dictation software I rely on for everything I do and then basically abandoned the useful consumer product and is now sticking gippity-4 into it? Stick it in GitHub, stick it in Windows, add it to your complete breakfast, wear it on your head.

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              My Windows machines have all been skinned to work like XP for 20 years, and sometimes I have to use other peopleā€™s computers and I donā€™t even understand how they get anything done. My start menu is predictable and the items in it are in the same place and with the same keystrokes every day. Thereā€™s no ads in it. It doesnā€™t tell me the weather or the sports scores when I donā€™t ask for them. My taskbar shows me the names of all the windows I have open. This should all be normal.

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        LOL, the first thing I saw of these new lappys was a breathless Verge article saying ā€œfinally MS will release the Macbook Air killerā€ and the very next thing is the poisoned chalise that is ā€œyou want a fast efficient Windows machine? well you just have to accept the AI recording everything you do on itā€. Fucking own goal.

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          the incredible efficiency of writing OCRed screenshots to SQLite constantly

          so Linux on laptops is frequently a shitshow in terms of power management, but bespoke Linux hardware that comes tuned (like the Steam Deck or laptops from Linux vendors) seems to do a lot better than Windows for efficiency. Iā€™m hoping this is an area where shit gets better for Linux as hardware vendors start to take it more seriously.

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      Meanwhile some of the comments are downright terrifying, also the whole ā€œresearchā€ output is overly-detailed yet lacking any substance, and deeply deeply in fantasy land, but all the comments a debating in favour of or against what is perceived as ā€œreal workā€, and in terms of presentation ā€œvibesā€.

      I mean my parents always said that fascist/cultish movements have issues distinguishing signified and signifier, but good grief. (Yes too much Lacan in the household)

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        I love the guy who goes in and says ā€œbut you really should give this guy money! I know he has produced absolutely no research or work worthy of a second glance but heā€™s my friend and I promise he SOUNDS suuuuper smart! btw I read the Sequences once. funding now??ā€

        I wonder what Peter Thiel would think about using disability benefits. Does he fly Ayn Rand style, where itā€™s okay to benefit from it while actively campaigning against it?

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      None of the commenters seem to think keeping a safe work environment is part of work.

      EA overdue to all be wiped out from a disease contracted from a dirty telephone.

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      Back when I used reddit, r/badmathematics would feature weirdos that posted REAMS of shit just like that guyā€™s whiteboard pictures. There, we called them cranks.

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      Please hire me for AI safety, I create active work place hazards around me and therefore small children and animals are not safe around me, but I really work hard (unless it is cleaning up).

      Wonder if he is single.

      This post also reminds me of the story I heard about a brilliant but weird math professor who had a tendency to touch walls when he walked around in the building. Eventually, in supreme cargo cult behavior, students also started to touch walls in an unconscious hope this would improve their math skills. Anyway this guys hopes and dreams to be hired would be shattered if he ever hears the people hiring him are a fan of Taleb.

      Good that the communities first reaction is saying this is a mh red flag. (It is also a workplace red flag)

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          I have worked with a couple of these eager shitwits over the years, and they are awful. theyā€™ll effortgraft waaaay into a thing that they think is totes the solution, ā€œdeliverā€ it as ā€œdoneā€ (aka ā€œhereā€™s a branch that already does all that, we can take it live nowā€), which all so handily allows them to frame any questions/criticism/etc as ā€œdonā€™t you think we need ${problem} to be solved?ā€

          the. fucking. worst.

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            sudden flashback to when $eagerdev pushed a branch that implemented test-infra steered by ansibleā€¦ in which you needed to write secondary, entirely separate, roles/specs for the test-infra thing to ā€œverifyā€

            (didnā€™t even try to hook ansible definitions (frankly I wouldnā€™t want to either (but if ansible werenā€™t so fucking shit at what it does _that whole thing wouldnā€™t have been necessary in the first place)))

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        you know what

        a not-insignificant element of the TPOT cluster is the ā€œcozyā€/ā€œvibesā€ aspect

        and for some reason your reply just made me think the thought ā€œwhile they espouse their shitty views they want to be comfortable, to maximize feeling unchallenged, to really get into itā€

        on the one hand it feels like an obvious realisation, but I also hadnā€™t really thought of it specifically like that before

        (admittedly Iā€™m briefly jumping from ā€œrats -> postratsā€ there by referencing the TPOT cluster, but as is known the latter havenā€™t really changed their beliefs just their rendering)

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    utterly off-topic but to usher in the weekend (and because Iā€™ve dropped Spotify): whatā€™s some music

    no wrong answers just start listing artists and albums you like

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    the fuck? any of you happened to have seen this?

    I donā€™t know if Iā€™ll get it on my one droid (both because Iā€™ve turned near every setting and tracker and whatnot off in advance, and because ZA - less likely to get shit like that in advance) but loooool

    theyā€™re all just shoving this shit into every damn input control

    coming soon: mousegpt?

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      coming soon: mousegpt?

      unfortunately, logitechā€™s ahead of you on that one, and of course itā€™s the type of lazy shit you could design in an afternoon, so that means theyā€™re gonna sell you a $50 AI Edition mouse:

      Logitech Signature AI Edition mouse: $49 @ Logitech

      This is a new version of the Logitech M750 wireless mouse that comes with a new teal button on top specifically intended to be used for the AI Prompt Builder. Of course, you could likely remap it using Logitechā€™s software to do whatever you want.

      and I realize the article I linked is essentially a paid undisclosed advertisement, but holy fuck:

      I just tested Logitechā€™s new shortcut to ChatGPT ā€” and itā€™s a big time-saver

      Get ready to summon ChatGPT with the press of a button

      itā€™s a fucking macro key that opens a popover that pastes text into ChatGPT running in a browser get the fuck over yourself

      fuck me this is why I make peripherals from components these days instead of buying keyboards and mice fucking laden with this bullshit. when my current (no-name) vertical mouse kicks the bucket Iā€™m gonna have to see what repairable mouse kits are available to replace it

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        Thank god I can have a button on my mouse to open ChatGPT in Windows. It was so hard to open it with only the button in the taskbar, the start menu entry, the toolbar button in every piece of Microsoft software, the auto-completion in browser text fields, the website, the mobile app, the chatbot in Microsoftā€™s search engine, the chatbot in Microsoftā€™s chat software, and the button on the keyboard.

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        when my current (no-name) vertical mouse kicks the bucket Iā€™m gonna have to see what repairable mouse kits are available to replace it

        If you like trackballs, Ploopy is great. Theyā€™re open source all the way down, mostly 3D-printable, and actually better than most commercially available trackballs.

        They also have a mouse kit, but I canā€™t speak for that.

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          theyā€™ve been high on my list to check out! last I checked I donā€™t think they have a pure kit version, but if the qualityā€™s good then I donā€™t mind paying for a built version as long as I can replace most of its parts when the time comes