Hm. As long as you only interact with Lemmy through a (trusted) VPN, or even through Tor, you’re just as safe using Lemmy as you would be any other website. Servers can always see your IP by default, and the owners of those servers can be coerced to give it away by whatever external forces. If you hide your IP, they can’t. That’s pretty much it.
I’ve heard plenty of “LGBT Rights is wrong because it means forcing Western Values on other cultures” stories from Tankies. It was enough to prove Horseshoe Theory to me.
It only really impacted me and a few others on Blahaj/196. She “swore off” the rest of Lemmy (still has it, still uses it) and said that being on Hexbear was better for her than other spaces online, and anyone disagreeing, even other trans women, were all wrong.
I don’t understand why someone would downvote you or why this opinion would cause an impact of any kind? People say all sorts of crazy things online. Was she particularly rude, trollish or baitey?
She thought that the group of trans people that run 196 was somehow enabling transphobia and other horrid things when we constantly removed it.
And when we removed it, she said it was better for communication if kept things up to show the idiots.
And then when I kept it up, she got mad at me for not instantly banning and removing them.
Like everything 196 does was inherently a master plan where we messed with all users just for her.
She’s banned because she constantly went “I can’t wait to leave this place” and never did. So I left the ban note along the lines of “If you want to leave, you can. You’re not, you’re harassing users and defending tankies, so take this time to breath some air.”
I’m literally interacting with you right now. Did you think I couldn’t see you were from lemmy.ml? Do you think you’re the only one from lemmy.ml who comments in this community?
I’m literally right here interacting on that exact topic right now. I’ve seen plenty of discussions from the people mentioned about the topic and newsflash, they don’t say that. Y’all just would much prefer to pass around rumors and dismissive charicatures rather than investigating what we actually believe.
People, observe the rhetorical devices of tankies. They do not engage in meaningful discourse. They answer with non-sequiturs framed as innocent questions. They present themselves as free speech defenders, yet they use this free speech to defend the most oppressive regimes in the world, though most often implicitly as their whole thesis becomes an obvious sophism were it to be explicitly stated:
America bad, therefore Russia/China/NK good.
It’s the exact same rhetorical devices that /r/The_Donald used during the '16 election, only with a different goal. It’s the methodology of people actively working against their own self-interest, shitting all over rational discourse because they found themselves in a self-reassuring echo-chamber of anticonformism.
Being a tankie doesn’t mean that you agree with everything any non-Western state does, it just means that you’re critical of war and are willing to consider internationalist perspectives.
Yeah, I don’t fully agree with their decision to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war, just as I don’t agree with Ukraine’s shelling of Donbass in violation of Minsk II, or with the coup and banning of opposition parties that led the disputed territories to declare independence.
The best case scenario, as has been the case since the start, is for a peace agreement to be reached as soon as possible to prevent further loss of life. Which reactionary government controls the disputed territories isn’t worth people dying over.
Yeah, I don’t fully agree with their decision to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war
Of course Russia had nothing to do with the war. They would never fund and support the separatists, or spread anti Ukrainian propaganda amongst the Russian speaking population, because Putin loves democracy and just wants the best for everyone, of course. /s
You said you “don’t fully agree” with Russia intervening in the civil war (by shelling kyiv I guess, because theres definitely civil war there). As if they didn’t provoke it in the first place to justify their invasion.
I also wouldn’t expect people who are criticial of war to say that they “don’t fully agree” with Russia waging a war of aggression and commiting mass murder and war crimes in Ukraine, I would expect some actual condemnation of such atrocities.
Here’s a hint: I think a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine should involve a new referendum organized and monitored by an impartial body (so not one picked by either Russia or NATO) before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
It’s a good compromise because it leaves everyone unhappy.
Or Russia can get the fuck out of Ukraine. Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
Giving concessions to Nazi Germany is how the world let WWII happen in the first place. Russia has been allowed to fuck around for far too much. They should have been stopped when they invaded Georgia. Letting them have parts of Ukraine will only give them time to regroup and possibly invade either Ukraine again or some other nation.
before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
People aren’t property, you don’t get to keep them just because you own them. They have self determination.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
No, it’s theirs, which is why I want them to have a choice! I’m the one that wants to let them choose whether they join Russia or stay with Ukraine. You’re the one that wants to hold them against their will if they truly want to leave.
I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want. Why do you not want the same?
They didn’t get a choice to get invaded by Russia in the first place. Why should they get a choice about whether or not Russia should stay there, especially after Russia has either driven out or arrested people trying to get the occupied areas out of Russian hands?
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded. My government is far far from perfect that doesn’t mean I should be punished with bombs going off on my block and my children kidnapped.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap. Russia could have sat there and broken their own people forever and no one would have raised a finger to stop it they invaded a neighbor that was zero threat to them. For what? So an elderly despot could enjoy his fantasies of restoring a dead empire.
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
The rest of the world is trading with them. It’s just the NATO bloc that has cut them off, which is now bifurcating the global economy. It’s one of the main reasons for inflation all throughout the West, because our currencies are now not being used by a growing segment of the world economy.
Your counteroffer isn’t happening and if we keep this up things will only get worse. We can’t dictate terms. We have to negotiate.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded.
Ukraine had a pro-Western revolution/coup that removed Russian allies and replaced them with NATO allies. It doesn’t matter if they “deserve” to be invaded (I don’t think they deserved it, for the record), Russia merely did what was in it’s geopolitical interests.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap.
You are still defending them? Why? I am sure you aren’t being paid for weekend work. Anyway I block Russian shills but feel free to earn your potatos by replying.
LGBTQ+ tankies on lemmy.ml and hexbear have something to say
Lemmy is not designed to provide reasonably-hardened anonymity in the sort of way that Hyphanet, I2P, or maybe Tor or something like that is.
I would not recommend using Lemmy if I were seriously concerned about government prosecution for content on it.
Lemmy’s a good alternative for something like Reddit.
Hm. As long as you only interact with Lemmy through a (trusted) VPN, or even through Tor, you’re just as safe using Lemmy as you would be any other website. Servers can always see your IP by default, and the owners of those servers can be coerced to give it away by whatever external forces. If you hide your IP, they can’t. That’s pretty much it.
lavender.ltgc.i2p exists. It’s Lemmy instance avaliable from i2p and tor. But it’s mostly pony instance.
I’ve heard plenty of “LGBT Rights is wrong because it means forcing Western Values on other cultures” stories from Tankies. It was enough to prove Horseshoe Theory to me.
Rather proves those were Pro-Russia trolls posing as something else
Horseshoe theory, the one where we call countries doing what we do communists to avoid facing our own failures?
Shout out to that one user named Good Girl who swore that being on Hexbear and Lemmygrad meant she got better treatment than the rest of lemmy.
I hope she gets over her self-hatred and loves herself as much as outside of those spaces.
I’m missing out on this particular bit of Lemmy Lore, did something happen?
It only really impacted me and a few others on Blahaj/196. She “swore off” the rest of Lemmy (still has it, still uses it) and said that being on Hexbear was better for her than other spaces online, and anyone disagreeing, even other trans women, were all wrong.
I don’t understand why someone would downvote you or why this opinion would cause an impact of any kind? People say all sorts of crazy things online. Was she particularly rude, trollish or baitey?
She thought that the group of trans people that run 196 was somehow enabling transphobia and other horrid things when we constantly removed it.
And when we removed it, she said it was better for communication if kept things up to show the idiots.
And then when I kept it up, she got mad at me for not instantly banning and removing them.
Like everything 196 does was inherently a master plan where we messed with all users just for her.
She’s banned because she constantly went “I can’t wait to leave this place” and never did. So I left the ban note along the lines of “If you want to leave, you can. You’re not, you’re harassing users and defending tankies, so take this time to breath some air.”
I see, thanks for sharing!
Yeah I’d like to see them justify that
At a guess: “these things are necessary to secure the state from Western agitators and things will change.”
The great thing about never interacting with a group of people is that you can just make up whatever you want about them.
I’m literally interacting with you right now. Did you think I couldn’t see you were from lemmy.ml? Do you think you’re the only one from lemmy.ml who comments in this community?
Surely you’ll have no trouble producing the receipts for what you said then, right? Since you didn’t make it up, can you link to where you saw it?
We wouldn’t need to guess if these people interacted on such topics, but they don’t. Wonder why.
I’m literally right here interacting on that exact topic right now. I’ve seen plenty of discussions from the people mentioned about the topic and newsflash, they don’t say that. Y’all just would much prefer to pass around rumors and dismissive charicatures rather than investigating what we actually believe.
I literally said it was a guess. That means I did make it up.
Please read what I write before flying off the handle next time.
Lemmy fake commies aren’t actually interested in reality.
you‘ve never been on hexbear, have you?
All my experiences with hexbear was with their toxic userbase so yes and no :) And I would make sure that it stays that way.
it‘s just a complete uninformed take. Hexbear is pro LGBTQ. And outspokenly so.
I know. That’s why they’re clowns.
ah, hm, because you think they are Putin shills at the same time?
why yes they are
but you never been on the instance?
People, observe the rhetorical devices of tankies. They do not engage in meaningful discourse. They answer with non-sequiturs framed as innocent questions. They present themselves as free speech defenders, yet they use this free speech to defend the most oppressive regimes in the world, though most often implicitly as their whole thesis becomes an obvious sophism were it to be explicitly stated:
America bad, therefore Russia/China/NK good.
It’s the exact same rhetorical devices that /r/The_Donald used during the '16 election, only with a different goal. It’s the methodology of people actively working against their own self-interest, shitting all over rational discourse because they found themselves in a self-reassuring echo-chamber of anticonformism.
I can smell poop without going into a sewage pipe
Russia is terrible on LGBT rights.
Being a tankie doesn’t mean that you agree with everything any non-Western state does, it just means that you’re critical of war and are willing to consider internationalist perspectives.
What? It absolutely does not. It means you’re an authoritarian “communist”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Russia is terrible on war
Yeah, I don’t fully agree with their decision to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war, just as I don’t agree with Ukraine’s shelling of Donbass in violation of Minsk II, or with the coup and banning of opposition parties that led the disputed territories to declare independence.
The best case scenario, as has been the case since the start, is for a peace agreement to be reached as soon as possible to prevent further loss of life. Which reactionary government controls the disputed territories isn’t worth people dying over.
Of course Russia had nothing to do with the war. They would never fund and support the separatists, or spread anti Ukrainian propaganda amongst the Russian speaking population, because Putin loves democracy and just wants the best for everyone, of course. /s
Let’s not forget that there would have been no “Ukrainian Civil War” if Russia hadn’t annexed Crimea.
I used precisely one adjective in that comment to describe Russia’s government, could you tell me what it was?
No response tells me you can’t read.
You said you “don’t fully agree” with Russia intervening in the civil war (by shelling kyiv I guess, because theres definitely civil war there). As if they didn’t provoke it in the first place to justify their invasion.
I also wouldn’t expect people who are criticial of war to say that they “don’t fully agree” with Russia waging a war of aggression and commiting mass murder and war crimes in Ukraine, I would expect some actual condemnation of such atrocities.
Answer the question, please. It’s not hard.
You said that they are a reactionary government, but you also implied that their reactionary justification to invade is legitimate.
You don’t agree with most aspects of reality.
Such as?
I’m unsure what you think a tankie is.
Someone who supports Imperialism when America/“the West” isn’t doing it. Really, that’s all it boils down to.
don’t stress - they’re being disingenuous.
I’m also unsure of what you think imperialism is.
Funny. I have a pretty good idea of what you think imperialism is.
Here’s a hint: I think a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine should involve a new referendum organized and monitored by an impartial body (so not one picked by either Russia or NATO) before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.
It’s a good compromise because it leaves everyone unhappy.
Or Russia can get the fuck out of Ukraine. Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.
Giving concessions to Nazi Germany is how the world let WWII happen in the first place. Russia has been allowed to fuck around for far too much. They should have been stopped when they invaded Georgia. Letting them have parts of Ukraine will only give them time to regroup and possibly invade either Ukraine again or some other nation.
Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?
People aren’t property, you don’t get to keep them just because you own them. They have self determination.
No, it’s theirs, which is why I want them to have a choice! I’m the one that wants to let them choose whether they join Russia or stay with Ukraine. You’re the one that wants to hold them against their will if they truly want to leave.
I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want. Why do you not want the same?
They want more guns and bullets. I wonder why?
They didn’t get a choice to get invaded by Russia in the first place. Why should they get a choice about whether or not Russia should stay there, especially after Russia has either driven out or arrested people trying to get the occupied areas out of Russian hands?
Interesting. How about a counter-offer? Russia gets the fuck off the Ukraine, pays reparations, and maybe in a decade or so of being nice the rest of the world starts trading with them.
Ukraine has/had an imperfect government, that doesn’t mean they deserve to be invaded. My government is far far from perfect that doesn’t mean I should be punished with bombs going off on my block and my children kidnapped.
Fuck Putin and fuck his supporters and fuck anyone who both sides this crap. Russia could have sat there and broken their own people forever and no one would have raised a finger to stop it they invaded a neighbor that was zero threat to them. For what? So an elderly despot could enjoy his fantasies of restoring a dead empire.
The rest of the world is trading with them. It’s just the NATO bloc that has cut them off, which is now bifurcating the global economy. It’s one of the main reasons for inflation all throughout the West, because our currencies are now not being used by a growing segment of the world economy.
Your counteroffer isn’t happening and if we keep this up things will only get worse. We can’t dictate terms. We have to negotiate.
Ukraine had a pro-Western revolution/coup that removed Russian allies and replaced them with NATO allies. It doesn’t matter if they “deserve” to be invaded (I don’t think they deserved it, for the record), Russia merely did what was in it’s geopolitical interests.
Deeply unserious. 😔
You are still defending them? Why? I am sure you aren’t being paid for weekend work. Anyway I block Russian shills but feel free to earn your potatos by replying.
you again. 🤦♂️
Who keeps telling me to log off?
I will NEVER log off!
the guy in front of CCP tanks in tiananmen
You have it backwards. A tankie would be in favor of running him over.
I realized that after posting it lol.
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