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Case in point

Blaming the people for the predictable effects of the dem’s actions deflects away from only entity that had the power to change the outcome and the only entity that will have the power to change this in 2026.

It’s not constructive to go “Damn, I sure wish genocide didn’t decrease turnout for the dems”

Just like in 2016, the dems deluded themselves into blaming the voters (specifically black people and/or the left) and bernie sanders instead of themselves, and we are watching them do it again in real time.

Biden sent Netanyahu every weapon he was allowed to, and had the military protecting Israel.

If the Biden admin didn’t want Netanyahu to do this, they could have just not actively supported his efforts to do so.

This was obvious to everyone from the beginning.

Even blue MAGA were doing “But you still need to vote biden, even if the dems never stop facilitating genocide” since Oct 8th, because deep down, they understood the dems wouldn’t listen, even if it was going to cost them the election.

You can totally make programs to scrape the internet for places that have posting functionality, crawl the scraped sites, and auto post. These already exist, and you can buy them, or get them shared to you from various sources. Most of these sites use template software to run their sites. It is not nearly as difficult as people might think to accomplish this. Bot traffic is 50% of internet traffic.

Is there a group somewhere, sitting in a government facility, working on how to best infiltrate Lemmy? I really doubt it. Do these places have general function bots that make it on to lemmy, and even smaller places? Yes. In fact, bots are causing a growing number of small sites to experience what is, essentially, DOS attacks, because of how much traffic suddenly hits the site once the scrapers/auto account makers/etc. have found it.

Did you link the wrong comment?

What you linked is just someone saying they can understand why someone who thinks both party’s won’t help, won’t be likely to vote.

I think you’re confusing me for someone else

I voted D like I always do, so have most progressive on here from what I’ve seen them say.

What me, and them, have been saying is that Biden and Harris had our votes, but every indication show d they wouldn’t get enough to beat trump.

It’s fine to be upset about that, we are too. Probably more than any moderate, we’re literally losing more than you all, that’s why we care.

But what’s scary is this has all happened before. Moderates refuse to acknowledge they’re unpopular with Dem voters, and rather than reach out to progressives for help reaching non-votera…

You all just seemed obsessed with turning more Dem voters away from the party.

Maybe if you stopped focusing so much on the negatives, and started promoting positive change, people wouldn’t argue with you so much.

The change we need is better Dem candidates, how the absolute fuck will that happen if we’re not allowed to acknowledge we keep running shitty candidates?

Do you even remember how a fair and open primary is supposed to work?

How is one of those ever possible if no one is allowed to criticize the party’s favorite?

So your solution is less criticism of the party? No wonder the Dems never learn.

Yeah, I’m going to take zero blame for the outcome of these past three presidential elections as I held my nose and voted for the terrible slew of (D) candidates each time which resulted in two losses and one near loss. When are you going to hold the party accountable for their performance and unwillingness to support electable candidates?

And you were trying to do that by throwing a whole other demographic under the bus. We shouldn’t be surprised this country is okay with genocide and then voted for Trump, because it reveals they were already primed for fascism and atomized enough to leave various groups behind.

For conservatives it’s women, LGBTQ people, and “the elite”, while for liberals it seems to be latino men, Muslims, and the working-class (and kinda trans people because she started getting super vague about helping them near the end of the campaign). The people who right now are like, “Well fuck you guys for voting Trump, I guess it’s every person for themselves, got to look after my own now”, well that’s how lots of people felt before the election when no one was helping them with the genocide, refused to even hear them out, so of course their turnout was depressed.

And they were a tiny minority, btw, if they all voted for Harris she still would’ve lost. More people didn’t turn out because their savings were decreased because their wages haven’t matched the rise in inflation. Even though Biden had helped lower inflation, people still felt left behind, and rather than not listen to them or say they’re wrong, they should’ve empathized with them and said, don’t worry we’ll help out.

We will never go forward if we continue on in this manner instead of having solidarity, but that can never happen if you guys keep interpreting warnings and advice as Russian bots and use that as an opportunity to tear down others, plug your ears, and prop up a genocide. And ya, I voted for Harris, they had some good policies, but it was a messaging thing. They should’ve taken the good economic stuff from their website (stopping price gouging and we’re going to hold companies accountable, the $25,000 to help buy a home thing, fighting pharmacy companies to make medicine affordable, etc), keep abortion in there as it was a strong issue, and maybe add some new stuff (we’ll bring back some pandemic measures to help you buy food and build up your savings again, like child tax credit or loans, because that’s when people remember having the most savings), don’t be afraid to say working-class instead of the middle-class, and then hammered that over and over again. Instead their most repeated talking points were that they’re saving democracy, they’ll reach out to neocon Republicans and put them in the cabinet, have the most lethal army in the world, and keep doing all the same stuff as the current Administration, a presently unpopular one. And abortion, but I think that was actually a good strategy, it just should have been supplemented with the other stuff.

There was also stuff they could’ve said to appease the Muslim voters while still being vague for the pro-genocide people, like “We will uphold the law with regards to selling weapons to allies.” It’s not a 100% yes on the arms embargo but it gives hope to people looking for any lifeline on the Gaza issue. It’s like what she about the trans thing.

But anyway, they didn’t do that, and the signs for this result were there when liberals, like the ones in this very thread, refused to abandon bullying as a strategy, and continued to think they could just gaslight people into thinking it would work after it didn’t work in 2016. Maybe it’ll work in 2028 if we still have democracy then, but only because people will be tired of Trump again by then and they’ll be able to run literally anyone to beat him (like in 2020).