I’m called a Nazi because I happily am proud of white culture. But every day I think fondly of the brown king Cyrus the Great who invented the first ever empire, and the Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu who wrote the first novel ever. What if humans just loved each other? History teaches us that we have all been, and always will be - great
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Me, a nazi? Preposterous, no nazi would idolize ancient warlords or cultural works from Japan.
I remember reading a story where a solid boot-neo-Nazi idolised Zulu warriors, then finding out that idolising Zulu warriors was an OG Nazi thing
Leni Riefenstahl went off to like Sudan after the war to photograph indigenous people there.
Hitler was pretty jealous of the Japanese ethnostate that came after decades of their trade embargos.
She’s 35 and her sum total understanding of culture and race has lead to this. I think she has been effectively a Nazi from way back.
OTOH, she also has said things like that she’s a socialist but believes in free markets rather than government intervention, so it’s probably fair to say that she’s not the sharpest egg in the attic
she’s a lying fascist. “nah I’m actually the socialists and here’s what real socialism looks like” is one of the oldest moves in the fascist playbook. she’s very bad at it, but it still did its job and convinced a lot of folks who don’t know any better that she was the leftist who would fix musk by giving him dmt or whatever
Real socialism has a little nationalism in it
Key exception when that nationalism is resisting imperialism, like in Vietnam.
(yes, tho i was more making a joke about how “nazism” is shorthand for “national socialism”)
Ok sure, so she’s an idiot nazi then, and has been for a while.
Can you honestly say there is any other kind of nazi?
I really do want to participate in this snark and agree, but unfortunately there are at least two kinds of nazis: credulous folk (like grimes) that lack the wherewithal to critically assess fascist ideology, and people ideologically motivated to be nazis (e.g. rich capitalists), who can be “smart”, for many definitions/synonyms of smart.
unfortunately I don’t think being smart does anything to prevent people from going fash
plenty of non-dumb/capable in some way nazis out there unfortunately
like Thiel
I think, I feel sorry for her, in the kind of I don’t really endorse or have anything to do with sort of way.
She is the limit of what happens when you idolize certain people, are betrayed by certain people, and never grow from that experience.
you’d think she was some sort of trust fund baby artist white woman
The implication that there is or has ever been a monolithic “white culture” is idiotic. It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity. That is to say both the Klan and extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of “whiteness”.
This concept itself is racist because it assumes Ashkenazi Jewish, Nordic, Russian, and Irish cultures are identical in some way, when they obviously aren’t. “The shared amount of relative pigmentation in skin” doesn’t culturally unite people, nor does it account for their shared values and traditions, or lack thereof.
I understand how “white” become the word for a sort of assumed racial default, but it’s really annoying to have to play this weird motte-and-bailey when people don’t understand or pretend not to understand that whiteness is not about skin pigmentation and never was. Wanna check my skin on a Pantone chart againts Hitler’s and then guess which one of us he thought was merely an “honorary aryan”?
I wish we had a better word for it.
“Italian” was excluded from “white” in the US in living memory
I mean, we don’t consider Italians white too over here, but we also don’t think there’s some kind of “white culture”. I’m Flemish and that’s my culture, and it’s definitely not the same as any other Western European culture.
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extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of “whiteness”.
What do you mean by this? Speaking for myself, what I’ve read on the left with respect to “whiteness” has been largely critical of the concept, e.g. that it exists by its function to other and marginalize those deemed non-white. Who are you talking about on the left that affirms a non-reductive concept of whiteness? Because it sounds like you’re both-sides-ing out of ignorance.
It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity
just wait til they whip out their horseshoe-shaped chart. then you’ll understand that one mastodon ancom is exactly equal to one nazi skinhead in terms of both falsehood and depravity
@mctoasterson @dgerard and it doesn’t even acknowledge the changing boundaries of “white”. The Irish weren’t white in America for decades. Jews weren’t white until post-wwii when “polite antisemitism “ became tainted and had to be discarded in the face of the civil rights movement.
@mctoasterson @dgerard the only thing white people have in common is high albedo.
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Why the hell would anyone think about Cyrus the Great every day, let alone fondly.
Isn’t he the one that the US Religious Right used as a rationalisation for a philandering president being an instrument of God?
Someone minted a souvenir half-shekel coin with both Trump and Cyrus on it. Heads, you lose.
“Thanks” for introducing me to a new level of insanity: https://www.temple-coins.com/products/copy-of-trump-and-bibi-netanyahu-coin-grey-silver (Cyrus is on the obverse, so there’s some weird right-wing Israeli hangup on him too)
Edit here’s the link to the abomination above and more
here’s the link to the abomination above and more
The one about sending fire to break down the walls of Gaza looks a little creepy, with people dancing on top of the wall. Released in July of 2023.
Please note that empires were actually invented by A Brown, of whom I think fondly every day. Therefore I am not a nazi.
Yes, if you are a “white pride” kind of person people are probably going to call you a Nazi. Thats exactly how it works.
I’m skeptical she thinks of Cyrus the Great every day but I hope it’s true because it’s really funny.
Alphas think of the Roman Empire every day. Sigmas, however, think instead of Cyrus the Great.
how dare people call me, grimes, a nazi? they’ll be eating their words when they see me post the exact same racist justifications in the same tone as a chan fascist trying to trick teenagers
it’s intensely obvious that grimes has always been fascist trash. I’m hoping she becomes a prime example of what a fascist looks like when they’re lying about being a leftist to manipulate their audience, but unfortunately the most common take I’ve seen is that musk somehow corrupted her into sounding like someone who’s spent decades absorbing and agreeing with the worst people on the internet? so I’m not betting that folks will get better at spotting this type of shit early
It’s strange that someone can sound so much like they spent their late 20s binging Carl Benjamin videos yet be unaware of empires predating the Persian one.
Imagine thinking there is actually some identifiable thing called “white culture”. As if a skin color defines a culture.
Yeah, sounds like a Nazi.
There’s a lot of stupidity to unpack in that first tweet.
- “I’m called a Nazi” honestly first I’m hearing of it, so to me this is self identification
- “White culture” I imagine grimes here is saying “anything that someone who would at first glance look like a modern white person has done in all of history”
- “Brown king Cyrus the Great” I’m not racist because one of the historical figures i think about every day is brown!
- “who invented the first empire” ah yeah he MacGuyver’d one together with pure brown ingenuity, sticktoitiveness, and a plastic straw
- “Japanese icon Murasaki Shikibu[‘s] … first novel ever” tangent: perhaps this is just my own brand of degeneracy on display here: grimes is referring to “The Tale of Genji”, which I mainly know about because some of the core relationships in the book revolve around adults grooming their wards into spouses (it was a different time), which has popped up nowadays in the discourse of some fiction coming out of Japan (see Usagi Drop). So I’m tempted to project onto grimes a veneration for grooming, which kinda tracks, but it’s a stretch.
- “What if humans just loved each other?” You’re like 3 years late to former IDF member Gal Gadot’s imagine video
Gotta love the way that TESCREALnts write and how they have a tendency to generate fractally stupid things like this. There’s so much more you could say. Basically, if I could say “that’s not how any of this works” to Grimes, I would.
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Always screenshot.
I mean, I get what her stupid ass is trying to say but all she is doing is showcasing white privilege. Only someone who lives and has lived a privileged life can unironically try to gloss over the systematic oppression or annihilation of entire groups of people, especially as it continues today.
Bringing up the ancient slav slave trade and pretend there is some sort of equivalence to ongoing repercussions of slavery in america is peak out of touch.
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The Irish discourse in race nu-uh ism. Like yeah, white people did some shit to the Irish. But then the Irish got upgraded to White status. The exact boundary of what we consider ‘white’ has changed and imposing it retroactively on historical figures and trying to imagine a unified ‘white culture’ of the pre-colonial world is silly.
Like if you want to be proud of your euro heritage, great, get some flags and learn to cook your favorite old country dish. But if you conceptualize it as this grand unified ‘white heritage’, we can see the klan hood.
alt girl amazes fans by posting on twitter in PERFECT nazi
The African slave trade of slavs? I think she means Arab. Or Arab/Muslim-osphere.
I wouldn’t think sub-Saharan Africans ran a lot of ships up to the Baltic or the Black Sea to capture slavs for enslavement. Ottomans, yes. Barbary pirates, perhaps. Of course some of the most prominent of the Barbary pirates were actually raised Christian or Jewish in Europe, and joined the pirates as adults.
And I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Europeans also captured slavs for sale to the Ottomans.
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Weird, I’m also proud of my (white) culture, yet nobody sober and offline has ever called me a Nazi. And I don’t even have to do the “some of my best
friendsinfluences are black” thing.Just wondering, since you’re proud of white culture. What positives do you attribute to white culture as opposed to some sort of economic or political culture?
Sorry, by “(white) culture” I meant “my culture, which, for the vast majority of its history, consists of white people”.
But your question does help me see the difference between my viewpoint and hers.
Haha did one of us update this? I am on mobile and can’t be bothered checking the edit logs
I don’t trust musicians that I learn about via something other than their music and even after 4 years of knowing who they are I remain uncurious to sample any of the music they have created.
If a musician’s music is never heard, are they still a musician? If they are not a musician, and not a nazi, then what are they?
in contrast, I did not forsee the trajectory of Grimes’ views and personal life events after finding “Oblivion” to be a bop in 2012
@Shitgenstein1 But in retrospect…
Interesting point. I listen to virtually every kind of music that there is and my only interaction with Grimes has been to backspace over the “s” as I search for grime music like Manga Saint Hilaire or whatever. For a long time, Courtney Love was in this state for me, but I eventually listened to a little of her stuff.
Hole is actually great. A big portion of modern indie rock owes a lot to them IMO.
No empire was ever born before 600 BCE (no no, the egyptians don’t count), and no clear works of fiction, intended mostly to be dessiminated thorugh text ever existed before the 11th Century (You can dismiss anything prior as mere works of philosophy, poetry or mythology)
@zogwarg Bronze Age Empires:
Hittite
Minoan
Mycenaean (briefly but opportunistically picking up the very wet Minoan pieces after the Thera eruption & tsunami.)
Old Babylonia (i.e. not the Neo-Babylonians who revered that past)Given their intermittent hegemony over Kush and Canaan, I don’t agree that Egypt doesn’t count as an empire. One can also make such a case for Zhou-era China, particularly before its splintering into the “Warring States” interregnum.
To name only but a few.
