Department of Public Works employee Eric Batman claims that having to see a Progress Pride flag flying outside the department’s Alhambra, California, headquarters during the month of June effectively forces him to “celebrate, recognize, and solemnize conduct and actions that he views as sin” in conflict with his sincerely held Christian religious beliefs, according to a lawsuit filed in March by anti-LGBTQ+ evangelical nonprofit the Liberty Counsel.

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      Ya know…I really hate that people use the term “snowflake” to describe soft sensitive people. My logic is simple. When I grew up, I was taught that snowflakes were unique and beautiful. Individually a work of art on their own or can work together to form something greater.

      I don’t want that beautiful word to describe these foul creatures.

      Instead I suggest they are called “little bitches”. Use that term instead of snowflakes from now on.

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        Hey now, us bitches work hard! This pathetic human being that can’t look at a rainbow flag without feeling shame, regret, and evil, he needs therapy.

        Therapy and a long time spent in exile away from society.

        Besides, where would you be without bitches and their bitchcraft? Absolutely maidenless, that’s where.

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            So you don’t think that the reason “bitch” is used to insult a man as being weak has anything to do with the fact that it’s a feminine slur?

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              I’m not totally disagreeing, but I also can’t square it with the term “asshole”. What does the term for someone being mean have to do with the end of your digestive tract? Why do “cunt” and “pussy” have almost opposite meanings, and “cunt” being very similar to how we use “dick” or “asshole” to refer to a person?

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                All of those holes and appendages have necessary function and can be fun to play with.

                Different terms for excrement is much better in my opinion.

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          In what way is “little bitches” gendered?

          Wait, are you thinking I’m using the definition of “female dog”?

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              Someone who’s weak, submissive, pathetic, and blames all others for their short comings and insecurities.

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                “Weak, submissive, pathetic” like the traditional misogynistic view of women? The one that gets applied to men to suggest they are being feminine as an insult?

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                  In no way did I ever say women are weak, submissive, or pathetic. That kinda seems like you drawing your own lines.

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        I’m pretty sure people started calling conservatives snowflakes when conservatives used it to bitch about participation trophies and that kinda stuff. So it’s use it’s use is a critique of conservatives using it for absurd things when they themselves are so sensitive to a lot of things.

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        It’s somewhat apt though, given that they got the term from Fight Club - Just more proof that they wouldn’t understand satire even if it cockslapped them in the face.

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            Tylee Durden is am allegory for toxic masculinity. He talks a big game about individuality and self-determination, but Project Mayhem is even more strictly conformist and anti-individualistic than the corporate culture it’s rebelling against.

            People like Andrew Tate watch the movie and think Tyler Durden is an example to be followed but they don’t even take on his critique of capitalism.

            Like. In his speech at the start, about how your possessions own you, he’s not wrong about society. But instead of offering a real solution, all he does is gather men with social issues into a rage-fuelled terrorist cult which he can’t even control. Much like the One Ring uses good intentions to corrupt its wearer to evil, so Tyler Durden uses genuine feelings of dissatisfaction and disaffection men feel in the late 20th century to pointlessly destructive aims, ultimately reproducing the very power structures they claim to fight against.

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        In the early years of the alt-right and 4chan/b, the derisive use of snowflake was a counter to the notion that everyone is special, noting that while snowflakes are unique and beautiful, they’re also superfluously abundant.

        It smacks of social Darwinism, the notion that there’s too many people and fair treatment of them all is unaffordable, which is only the case when a few hold an extremely disproportionate amount of wealth and power.

        (As an aside, the extreme wealth/power disparity that we see today is a symptom of the decay of a society that precedes decline and collapse, at least as we’ve seen in history. Before the US, an embarrassment of riches was exactly that. In the states, since the rise of the gold rush and the railroad barons, extreme wealth in the US has become an object of admiration and aspiration. The American dream is to join the billionaire class, no matter how rarely it actually happens.)

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          little bitch of a bigot

          That’s got a ring to it! It’s fun to say, and I hope one day I get to use that to insult someone withthat phrase.

          We’ve done good work here today!

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      What’s hard is living in a country that seems to care more about this snowflake bullshit than health care and wages.

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    Would be fun to see this lawsuit succeeding.

    The Satanic Temple would have a field day suing everything christian by this precedent.

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      A satanist could even argue it causes them physical harm to be subjected to “holy” imagery against their will, if the scriptures are to be believed.

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    Group opposed to liberty for others calls itself the Liberty Council. And misspells it.

    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” That doesn’t mean you, motherfucker.

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      Waiting for the precedent so the Church of Satan Satanic Temple can abuse the fuck out of it to start forcing churches into seclusion

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        It’s truly amazing what people can achieve when they want to. Too bad it’s done in service of bigoted ignorance.

        Whenever I see incredible religious structures, the emotion after amazement is sadness, because what if all that effort were put toward something productive?

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      So yes, but also this is slightly different than that. It’s about the department itself flying the flag. Still absolutely insane, but slightly less insane than that. The end result, if this person wins, is literally no flags or any other messaging. “My religion doesn’t support nationalism.” This would also include extreme stances like “my religion doesn’t support the periodic table” or things like that.

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    I see confederate flags round here all the time and I don’t feel forced to celebrate the confederacy… idiot.

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      It’s important to see both sides of any argument. The winning side, and the losing side.

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      Well … you don’t see Nazi flags in Germany today but you can see them in USA. “Freedom to be idiot” is a great thing.

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      Well the alternative is that they would have to help the poor and generally be a good member of society and that’s too much like hard work so it’s much easier to claim that they are the victim.

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      There is a certain strain of Christianity that must see itself as the underdog in a cosmic war of good and evil. Everything fits into that overarching narrative.

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    I also think the Progress Pride Flag represents conduct and actions I view as sin. Not like, gender/sexual sin. Design sin.

    The rainbow flag was already perfect. The rainbow flag to me says “human behavior exists on a spectrum, and everyone matters”. It’s beautiful, elegant. The stripes don’t represent distinct groups, though sinners (the flag redesigners, not LGBTQ+ people) have tried. The flag itself represents harmony in diversity. You can’t get better than that, no notes.

    The Progress flag is meddling with a perfect formula. It takes a perfect symbol to celebrate diversity itself and plasters it with footnotes. By highlighting specific groups that were included by the rainbow in the first place, it just opens the door to more and more complex revisions to include more and more distinct groups. It turns a poignant symbol of broad inclusiveness into a weird patchwork of granular inclusiveness. That would seem like hyperbole if the pictured flag wasn’t already the intersex-inclusive revision.

    It’s just sloppy vexillology. The rainbow flag is awesome. Why are we fucking with it?

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      That’s basically my problem with the term “LGBT(Q(IA(+)))” but as a basically straight white dude my input has very little weight. I think SAGA is cleaner (Sexuality And Gender Acceptance/Alliance), covers all the bases while being a pronounceable word with a poetic meaning. “Queer” works too but has too much baggage in some regions.

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        I never understood the arguments about adding extra letters to the acronym. The suggestion seemed always to be that if I said “I support the LGBT community” I was actively discriminating against everyone else who isn’t included in that acronym, which of course was never actually a thing. You either support people of different sexual arrangements to yourself, or you don’t. I don’t know anyone who “only supports the gays”.

        I also think it’s hilarious that they themselves seem to realise that it’s become a bit of an acronym soup, that people are struggling to keep track of, which is why they’ve included the plus at the end. Surely they could have just done that from the start?

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          LGBT and other variants, yeah i agree but with one exception: LGB is often used explicitly to exclude trans people and postdates LGBT in use. It’s one thing to use it when there’s a reason to exclude straight trans people from a statement (eg LGB people may struggle early on because they don’t have a relationship script to follow in same gender relationships). But yeah, I use LGBT with the understanding that other queer identities exist and are to be included as warranted.

          The + came pretty early, and the alphabet soup largely is pushed by specific groups who worry they’re underrepresented or underacknowledged. This began with asexuals who were kinda late to organizing with the rest of us and felt the need to really push for visibility. The Q was basically meant to be the same as the +. The I is related to the debate as to whether or not intersex people are inherently part of our community (my stance is that it’s not my place to tell any intersex person whether or not they are, though idk what my cousin would get out of it as a straight cis woman who’s chromosomally sterile). By the time QIA was in the mix some people just kept going and a lot of us pulled back.

          It should also be noted that LGBT was an acknowledgement of the fact that each letter had developed a separate community and we’d been working together and we had an overarching community. Over the years since a lot of that has blended, but early on a lot of organization was separated into those 4 boxes, in a way that just isn’t as common anymore.

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          I like to just call it the Alphabet Mafia, considering how many places around the world that our existence is still illegal.

          Also because it gives the finger to Google’s parent company’s trademark lol

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      Hear hear. I refuse to use it for this exact reason. The rainbow flag is such a strong symbol!

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        I’m also really annoyed by it and I would love to use the old one, but around here trans exclusive LGB groups started using it… Soooo, kinda burned for me unfortunately.

        Don’t want to tell you to not use it btw! Just be aware that it could mean something different for certain groups of people.

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      To avoid confusion with the Cusco flag? I jest, of course. Cusco changed its flag in 2021 by adding a golden sun in the middle. Probably to differentiate it from the pride flag.

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    Fascist sues because he’s reminded daily that he could be a nice and caring person if he wanted to

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you… The United States of America

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    It’s very simple. We’ll get rid of the pride flags as soon as they get rid of all the crosses. Fair is fair, after all.

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      The fucking crosses, man.

      You think Jesus ever would want to see another cross again?

      Dude wouldn’t be able to take Public Transit in Boston.

      If Jesus came back he probably wouldn’t even use the letter “t”.

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          The funny part is that they aren’t even historically accurate crosses. The cross was more like a capital T. The upright post was buried in the ground like a fence pole, with a square peg carved at the top. The actual cross part was just the crossbar, with a matching square hole carved in it. The crossbar was lifted up and set on top of that peg.

          The square peg likely only stuck out an inch or two from the top of the T, and that was mostly just to make it more durable, as the peg wore down with use but burying the posts was a labor intensive process. They didn’t want to bury a new post for every single crucifixion, so they made the posts reusable and just swapped out the crossbars.

          When Jesus carried his cross to Calvary, he was only carrying the top of the T. But over time, to distinguish it from the capital T, Christians started using the modern cross with the accentuated peg, and it eventually morphed into the modern cross that we all recognize today.

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            to distinguish it from the capital T

            Huh, I would’ve assumed they were trying to distinguish it from Thor’s hammer.

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        Jesus talkking to Peter after the rapture: “Yeah, got all of them, except those antichristians who celebrate my death with crosses. No way I’m bring those sick weirdos up here.”

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        That brings a whole new dimension to the T, but you know what, after being subjected to the green line more than a few times it entirely makes sense.

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    So can all his coworkers sue them because they have to look at this bigoted piece of shit every day?