• Chloé 🥕@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    17 days ago

    hey usa, china is building tons of high-speed rail. they’re the leaders in decarbonizing their energy mix. they’re building tons of housing to handle population growth. they’re financing infrastructure projects in the global south. why not try beating them at all that?

    no? just wars again? okay.

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        Even with more property rights. If you own a house and you don’t want to sell it when they want to build a new highway, they build the highway surrounding your house, instead of expropriating you like in western countries.

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          tbh living there in the middle of a highway would be hell

          it is disappointing how despite how ahead china is in terms of public transit, they still build car-centric infrastructure like this. at least, unlike north america, shitty car-centric infrastructure is not all there is lol

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            If you’ll notice, it’s a 4 lane highway, which is medium level traffic, because most people take the train or electric scooters. In America this would be an 8 lane highway or bigger.

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          Fascinating as it may be, that’s a pretty horrible picture.

          Imagine living that house. It’s a pretty stark demonstration of the state gets what it wants, one way or another.

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            That’s why it’s important to recognize that the state serves its ruling class, which in China’s case is the proletariat. That’s why they are far more leniant and even allowed this situation in the first place.

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    It is absolutely maddening to see American pundits defend every dumbshit, ruinous, genocidal policy over the last twenty years by pointing at China and claiming, “We had to show them we were the boss”.

    From AI to A-bombs, there’s nothing you can’t get away with by insisting “China Bad! This will stop them!”

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        And not even the country’s, just that of a few old pedophiles trying to rape some life out of children in a vain attempt to feel youth again before the grave takes them

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      It’s a very convenient go-to excuse. And as long as the American public keeps lapping it up, those in power will keep counting on it.

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    The US is basically a “this is good for bitcoin”, but as a country.

    Its slow, humiliating, public suicide is even more pathetic than great britain’s.

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        I’m not sure how many US imperial troops died, but they did lose a good amount of aircraft:

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          So glad that American’s voted for the “No more wars” president while hoping for a better cost of living.

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            The US is not a democracy, its a one-party capitalist empire, and even its controlled opposition wing wanted to go to war with Iran for a long time. The democrats under Biden also massively increased funding to Israel to help destroy palestine:

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              Americans could have had socialized healthcare for what they’ve sent to Isreal to bomb poor brown people.

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          Ehh I’d argue that money was already lost down the black hole of defense spending.

          Looking forward to seeing how they’ll pay for the replacements

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    I’d put money on China being able to pwn the USA with the click of a button. We know about salt typhoon, and there’s been documented backdoors in IoT devices and some Unitree bots. Imagine all the things we don’t know about. Especially regarding power generation and general aging infrastructure.

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      Buddy, I could tell you that based on the fact that they’ve lost every single war they’ve been in since WWII.

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        Tell that to Saddam and Gaddafi.

        lol the downvote. Did those governments that no longer exist actually win the wars that caused them to cease existing?

        *this doesn’t mean they were good or justified. If anyone thinks I implied or said that you need to learn how to read.

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          No, but the resulting insurgency forced America out in retreat? Do you think America won’t he Iraq war lmao?

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            1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained.

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              Actually the reason your government gave was to get the weapons of mass destruction from Saddam, which was proven to be a lie, so how did you win an illegal war based on fake goals?

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                You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale.

                Also it’s not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq.

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                  Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals, I wouldn’t trust that country as far as I could throw it.

                  My bad for assuming, btw.

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            Do you think Saddam’s government won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency.

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                Ok so you can’t win a war if it wasn’t clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications.

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                  Show me a reputable source that claims the US won the war. The 20 year war, of a superpower, VS a small middle eastern country.

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    I think Americans should ban debate clubs. Clearly they’re only teaching how to create mental convolutions instead of creating sound arguments.

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      Americans should consider doing mathematical convolution instead. Very important for functional analysis with deep connections to the Laplace, and thus Fourier, transforms.

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      Oh no, debate clubs are actually very good at teaching kids how to discern good information from bad, and how to make proper arguments with supporting evidence. Right wing media teaches gish gallop and never be wrong, it’s these two ideas that have taken over discourse.

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        I will have to take your word on that. Got to admit my opinion is based on a limited set of people I had the displeasure of interacting with.

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        Really depends on the debate club, there are plenty in conservative areas that are basically just right-wing influencer spawning grounds

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    China and Iran are allies.

    If the US and China go to war Iran will close the strait to their enemies. And we’ve seen the US is impotent to that and overly reliant on oil.

    I think China just has to deal with a first strike from the US and then wait for an impotent United States to fall apart and starve.

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      I think your last point is pretty accurate. The US side has done a bunch of war games for a Taiwan invasion situation. In these games, the US side barely wins. To me, that’s evidence the US probably loses. All of the Chinese decision making is done by US military people that think like the US military. If the PLA acts differently, they could easily be in a better position. Also, the Chinese capabilities will be based on US intelligence. Unless the Pentagon knows everything about missile ranges, warhead sizes, magazine depth, aircraft speeds and ranges, etc, they won’t be able to anticipate a capability they didn’t know about.

      Probably most importantly, China has a vast industrial base and would be much closer to the fighting. All they really have to do is use up the US missile stockpiles and shoot down a few planes (probably while they’re just parked in Okinawa). Once the war becomes about who can manufacture more missiles and planes to replace losses, there’s no way the US will be able to keep up. If it becomes a protracted war, the US loses by default.

      Edit: also, I’m not so sure Iran would close the straight. But I don’t think it would matter because part of the US plans involve closing the Malaca straight to starve the Chinese of oil. They’ll do it themselves.

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    How can people be so delusional?

    “When their salary depends on it” is a decent first answer.

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        Is that the person who publishes the Epoch times in Canada? Or is it the Falun gong nut cases? Someone entirely different who I havent heard of yet? Please I need to know what propaganda machine published this.

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      Not an idiot they are an intelligence asset. When all the evidence shows America couldn’t have and isn’t winning the war, anyone pushing the war agenda isn’t just a retard they are probably knowingly pushing the psyop. Any blue check claiming America has done anything but blunder this entire conflict probably gets paid by the CIA

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    Yeah giving away the weakness of all our equipments iranians hurt to china is such a huge deterrant bruv