First and foremost this would be a HUGE boon for small businesses. They are currently hugely outclassed in offering benefits which hampers hiring. It’s also significantly more costly per employee for them.
Second, huge boon for employees who can change jobs left and right regardless of life circumstances. Currently the best way to improve your wages and/or get promoted to a bigger position is to get a job at a new company.
Third, huge boon for entrepreneurs who can now take bigger risks to start a new business because regardless of what happens, they don’t have to worry about losing their healthcare
All of these things will have long term knock-on effects of leveling the opportunities for non wealthy people as well.
I’ll say it for the millionth time. Every single stance the GOP takes is bad for small businesses, bad for the economy, bad for the country.
I’ll say it for the millionth time. Every single stance the GOP takes is bad for small businesses, bad for the economy, bad for the country.
Bad for PEOPLE in general.
Except for rich people.
Very well said. My old man can attest to the struggle of running a small-business with a couple employees while managing the overhead of health insurance both for himself, and them.
This is honestly how Democrats should be pushing it: We’re Pro Small-Business. (1) Entrepreneurship, (2) Innovation, (3) True competition, (4) Keeping money within communities… I could go on.
Don’t forget, the Democrats have never put universal healthcare on their agenda and they’ve rigged multiple primaries in order to prevent candidates who would put it on the agenda from winning.
The GOP is mentioned because they claim to be the party of small businesses and are overwhelmingly supported by small business advocacy groups.
thats because thats thier only carrot(single issue that convinces people to vote for them), they would lose that power overnight). thats why they always tease public heatlcare for all, and conspire with the republicans to derail those plans.
What planet are you living on where the Democratic party is using single payer healthcare as a carrot?
Can I move to that planet please
Global warming would probably be solved, because hell would also have frozen over.
“Big news tonight. Congress has officially passed the Healthcare for All Bill with unanimous support, also, the Cleveland Browns have won the Super Bowl!”
I’d probably go to the doctor.
I’ve got a bowel obstruction 2 years ago and i had to pay 6k for my deductible and my insurance paid 12k. I got a tube down my nose, some xrays and stayed a night. I currently know its going to happen again any day now and it almost happend two nights ago and I was in horrendous pain. I could go to the doctor and they could probably help me and stop it from happening again. However, I dont have 6k to spare to find out. So until it is debilitating, we’ll just have to see what happens.
That sucks.
Ive got shitty US insurance. Had to have the ol’ gallbladder removed. Hospital charged $40k. After insurance, my bill was less than $3k. Lots of people would be financially ruined by that math. Im thankful I had the $3k to pay.
It’s hard out there, but at least we’re letting gun owners carry into Hawaiian grocery stores.
Ive got shitty US insurance.
Which is actually the best kind of insurance for bowel obstructions.
A better life for 99.999999% of the country.
The other 0.0000001% are already so wealthy that their life will be exactly the same except that they will be furious about the 99.999999% having an easier life.
everyone would be in better shape health-wise.
but also billionaires would lose money, which is why it’ll never happen as things are now
they would stop applying to grueling service/retail jobs/technician jobs, and probably focus career paths even if they already graduated with a degree, more money goes into taking more classes, or saving money for something else. i think these are one of the reason people are not in a field they supposedly studied in, of course you would need a efficient train/fast rail system in most states for it to work as well since most degree’d jobs are outside large cities most of the time, besides the job market being very poor for many different fields.
most people are probably paying 600-1000+/month in premiums anyways, and they have to spend down thier DEDUCTIBLES and OOP to be fully covered, which most people cant unless you are chronically sick. the current subsidies make it less than that per month.
More entrepreneurship. Plenty more people would work for themselves or start businesses if they didn’t have to worry about healthcare.
This. I’ve said for years, it’d be a Renaissance of entrepreneurship and craftsmanship.
I’ve known so many people over the years that would have been fine getting by selling things they’ve made, or fixing others things, if they didn’t need employer based Healthcare.
UBI would be good for this also.
Urinary Balls Infection?
I feel that would get you off the couch and doing stuff at least?
But no. Universal Basic Income. I think it would encourage people to experiment more with self-employment to supplement the modest income they get through UBI.
If healthcare were decoupled from employment, Americans could protest in much larger number and for a longer period of time.
A general strike would become viable.
and suddenly many people who have been wanting to start their own businesses, make that career move, or move to where the jobs are would finally feel secure enough to do so. I suspect this would boost the economy everywhere in ways it would be hard to predict.
People would have more job mobility. You could quit (or get fired) and not have to worry about becoming bankrupt due to healthcare.
People that don’t have insurance will be able to seek aid. Less people will die of preventable illness. People can focus on getting better without the stress of “how will I pay for this? I’m ruined”
The economy would skyrocket. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE would benefit. And there are people in this country so vile they would lose out on billions or trillions in profits just to screw over the masses. Imagine companies not having to pay 10-20k+ per employee for healthcare. Employees getting preventative care, being healthy, and being more … PRODUCTIVE!
The health insurance industry is half a percent of the whole US economy ($1.6tn of $32tn). Pulling out the rug under it would almost certainly cause a recession in the short term. Probably still worth it imo
US would start catching up to the technologically advanced nations in life expectency. A lot more people would start businesses or take a chance on dream jobs. The us would become more competitive with other countries as businesses would no longer have it as a cost. Its essentially like subsidizing your whole economy and many of our competitors do just that so we have to compete with that.
The major factors in the US’s low life expectancy are guns and automobiles. Because the required medical care for the damage those things cause is already guaranteed, universal healthcare would have a relatively small impact on life expectancy, especially in the short term.
It’s possible infant mortality would benefit. Major reasons for our (the US’s) poor performance there are people that do not seek medical care (polling suggests about 2/3 of this is either driven by or related to cost concerns), and differences in how we track infant mortality statistics (for example, the US counts all infants, even if they are born severely premature, while most countries exclude some prematurely born infants from their statistics).
Because the required medical care for the damage those things cause is already guaranteed
Lol, no, you’re still going to have to pay for that.
The (lifesaving) care is guaranteed, whether you are able to pay or not. The resulting debt could cause a lot of problems, but few of them contribute immediately to life expectancy.
Quality of life, sure. Feeling financially secure in your present position, absolutely. But not how long your ticker keeps ticking.
Several people I know would retire from management level positions. It would energize upward advancement in a number of institutions.
Well, we’d retire. We have enough saved to manage þrough to our deaþs, except for healþcare. It’d be retiring early, and in all likelyhood we’d take different jobs which aren’t as high-stress; let someone younger deal wiþ þe bullshit þat Management is. So maybe not full-on retire. We continue to work mainly because healþcare in þe US is stupid.
I think you’re overusing thorn. “The” and “health” have two different sounds for “th” in them
Health seems to be valid this way https://www.etymonline.com/word/health
But with should have an eth instead.
Nice. Hardcore Þorn.
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my friend would get the blood pressure meds he needs instead of searching for magic pills at the health food store.
have they checked cost+ drugs for the medication, they got a lot of stuff now that is way cheaper than insurance
yeah but you have to see a doctor to get the script to get the meds…
About half the US would declare civil war because they are so fucking stupid?
Approximately 1-2 million people employed in the mass bureacracy of claims processing and validation would lose their jobs.
That’s how much of a gargantuan amount of bullshit the healthcare industry is, its so big that at this point, assuming the rest of the economy was doing fine, switching to universal health care would create a moderate recession, because so many bullshit jobs would no longer need to exist.
Obviously it would be a massive net economic benefit, but at this point, medicine is gonna sting a bit.
Approximately 1-2 million people employed in the mass bureacracy of claims processing and validation would lose their jobs.
Those “same” (number of) people would be needed to process the claims that needed to be approved by the nationwide system that replaced “for profit” healthcare.
I’m from Canada, and I know a surgeon and he has one admin. One (1) secretary that handles patient booking, billing, and payments. The benefit of a single payer system is there’s one payer. The government. One set of forms to comply with. No rejections (almost always. Rejections come from foreigners or out of province coverage when determining which province is responsible for paying)
His software system (government provided) auto fills 99% of it. That’s why he can have one (1) secretary. The government side Idk but it’s certainly not insane ratios like the US since the process is far more streamlined and doesn’t rely on appeals or rejections to racketeer more money out of doctors and patients. What’s really sad is Americans are so conditioned to believe their way of life is somehow normal, that orphans must also be crushed somehow in Europe or Canada.
Yeah, you go into a doctor’s office and they’ll have 5 secretaries to handle all that paper work. I didnt do Healthcare, but for a minute I was a service administrator for a car dealership who’s job, among 7 of us, was to do the billing and warranty/insurance claims. The paperwork was insane and had to be presented in a precise way or it wasn’t accepted. I can only imagine what hoops health insurance makes these offices jump through.
That’s not quite true. Medical billing here is hopelessly complicated, a universal system would likely have universal rules, and streamline the process of billing and payments.
So if a medical practice now needs 5 people to do the insurance billing, it might need only one if there was one payer (Medicare) or two if there was a German sort of system, but not 5.
No. Wrong.
As others have outlined in greater detail… no, you’d have a massive simplification and standardization of such forms, thus a massive reduction in the amount of ‘needed’ work of such kind.
The entire way the modern US healthcare system works is by making there be so many abstract layers and processes going on at the same time, that it requires an inordinate amount of time and effort to even actually map out what those layers and processes are, much less who is actually responsible for what particular decision or mistake.
And that is the point of it. Its is insanely complex and opaque by design, because it allows them do functionally do whatever they want, and be able to say its all done for compliance’s sake.
So, yeah, if you just flatten all that… ~90% of it no longer needs to exist.
Or… the real funny part here is… if we stick with the system as it is, well, this kind of shit is gonna be done by LLMs. So we will probably end up having the same employment void developing under the current hypercapitalist paradigm as well.
you can have both private and public, private if you want to see someone faster or more specialized care. and everyone gets public regardless of income. most states have very small maximum limit on if you can get medi-caid. funny how military service members have universal healthcare, a “public version of them” and they arnt in debt. it can be done, the us chooses not to because GOP/DNC would start to lose alot of political power.
