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Ontario Premier Doug Ford warned that Canada could cut electricity exports to the U.S. in retaliation for Donald Trump’s new tariffs on Canadian goods.

The U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on most Canadian imports, citing border security concerns. Ford emphasized that U.S. states like New York and Michigan rely on Canadian energy and should “feel the pain.”

Canadian officials also announced $155 billion in counter-tariffs.

If enacted, energy restrictions would likely raise prices in the U.S., escalating trade tensions between the two countries.

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    Don’t announce it, just do it and observe the panic…and then the begging for it to come back but with a 25% hike in prices.

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        Wow, $2.01CAD/L that’s actually slightly higher than our notoriously high BC prices. I was assuming it would be something like $1CAD/L which is a low price we’d dream of here.

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          Its okay poor people will just band together carpooling in mini coopers… 12 at a time. All while wearing big shoes. Hey! We gotta make a buck somehow! This Canadian engine covffefe won’t pay for itself.

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    What Canada needs to start doing is violating US copyright and stealing their IP. Sell jailbreaks for American hardware.

    That was part of the free-trade deal, so why would Canada keep up that side of the bargain?

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      This!! This should have been the very first thing! Retaliatory tariffs hurt the consumers, companies and so the economy overall. Reversing the insane IP laws that prevent people from modifying, repairing, upgrading their American products would open business opportunities and lower costs for Canadians.

      The main issue is the benefit will be seen on medium term, not days/weeks, and if it is under threat to be reversed again as soon as Trump backs down on his tariffs, not many will take the risk to invest in the maintenance and repair sector.

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    I’m Canadian and I don’t think we should be doing this in the middle of winter. Plus it’s going to affect blue states, which will only make the MAGA fuckface idiots glad that the libs are being owned.

    We should repeal US IP protection laws instead and cut out their potash. Make technofeudalists and rural conservatives scream.

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      It’s not the middle of winter, it’s March. It’s spring time where I live in Canada, it ought to be warmer down south in the USA.

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      American here in a state bordering Canada. We get energy and trade with Canada. Our winter is basically over.

      Please cut the power for an hour. Make it daily. Increase it to 2 hours. Do it at the most annoying times.

      Hospitals and such have backup power systems, so a short outage wouldn’t directly harm anyone. (I’m sure some elderly shut in will coincidentally die of old age and it would get blamed on the outage) But it would get everyone’s attention and mostly be really fucking annoying for some people.

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      I don’t think we should be doing this in the middle of winter. Plus it’s going to affect blue states

      US citizen here, in a blue state. Do it, you’re doing us a favor. Let’s get those guys up there to get out the pitchforks, let’s see people freezing on the news.

      The current blue is purple, let’s make it blue again.

      Libs need to be in the streets. The Maga viewpoint will fall as the stock market shutters and their kids are in danger of getting drafted to fight a war on two sides.

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      Thank you. Californian over here. I am disgusted with what our government and the magtards that voted them in are doing. Do what you need to do to defend yourselves but please keep in mind Americans are not all awful.

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        keep in mind Americans are not all awful

        Thnx for the reminder. I am trying, but I admit it’s not easy nowadays so it’s needed every now and then. I think by far the biggest part of Europe won’t argue when I say we totally lost trust and respect for the USA.

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          Surprised you had trust and respect for the USA in the first place, have you already forgotten all the countries the USA have illegally invaded?

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          Just keep it in mind when some of us start needing to flee. Some of us just want to be safe from the fascists and to work together with our neighbors around the world in a cooperative way.

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          The few of us that aren’t awful are fair sacrifices, please, do whatever it takes to dethrone the maniacs.

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      However much I’d like to see it happen, I do see problems in cutting them off too. It’s not easy to cut power on such scale, but if possible, i’d be in favor of intermittent outages. Random on/off periods of random length. The only thing that sucks much more than no power is unreliable/unpredictable power.

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    Let the southern bastards freeze in the dark…not permanently, just a brief period, followed by an export tax. Cut power once in March, then again throughout the NBA playoffs in April.

    At this point we should do this whether or not Trump reverses course. Make it clear there is nothing he can do to avoid it.

    I’m sick of this market fuckery back and forth. I’m convinced he’s trying to depress the Canadian dollar and the value of Canadian companies and industries, so that oligarchs in the US can buy them up. It’s a hostile corporate takeover of our country. Fuck him, we need to go hard - permanent tariffs as long as Trump is in office…and we need legislation to ensure 51% Canadian ownership of strategic resources, as well as no American investment right now. If necessary, we need to nationalize strategic resources and industries.

    What we don’t need is a fucking tax break for the rich. We’re on a war footing right now and our leaders need to accept this. The people have largely accepted it.

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      I don’t think he actually cares about Canada specifically. The point is to alienate the US from its allies and reduce any kind of powerful diplomatic mediators or military deterrents so Russia and similar traditionally colonial powers can just start seizing whatever territory they want.

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        I think there are two things he wants here…and by “things he wants” I mean things that will make him and/or his wealthy oligarch buddies rich and grow their power.

        The first and more near-term goal is the upcoming tax cuts for the rich, which will be trillions of dollars. To fund this, he sees at least three vehicles, that he has been pushing despite the failings of all three: (1) savings from DOGE, (2) the new gold visas, and (3) tariff income. All of these ideas are absolutely dogshit for creating income, but he seems to think they will. In his previous time in office, he even tried to use tariffs in this way. He sees tariffs as income and he’s made it clear. He knows the tax cuts will be hugely unpopular so he has to build up a story as to how they can be afforded. In the meantime if a bunch of rich short sellers make money off of market manipulation, so much the better.

        The second goal, and probably more in line with the objectives of the oligarchy in the US as a whole, is to make Canada even more subservient economically to the US. They want a quiet corporate takeover of Canada. They want to depress the value then but it all up, after which we’re even more fucked than we are now. We need to cut this option off and just accept that we need to nationalize these industries, and restrict or even exclude American investment. I think the Canadian government should own at least 51% of key strategic resources, such as telecom, oil, hydro, potash, and media.

        In summary, the Americans are now our enemies and should be considered as such. They want to damage our country and assume control of it. They are outright saying this. We need to stop being so fucking naive, and take solid action to prevent it.

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          So Trump is not acting based on goals he has for the US, he is acting on goals for the global oligarchy, doesn’t matter if you’re a Canadian or US billionaire he wants you to be able to continue exploiting.

          If putting Canada under the jurisdiction of a more compliant country like the US makes that easier great, if instead the conservative parties in Canada can be propped up great. You have plenty of MAGAs in Canada, They’re not just in the US, so we all could do some house cleaning. The US is just the cautionary tale.

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            I remember going to Niagara. It was summer and kinda not all that hot. Home was in the 90’s. It pinged my brain, this is like a heatwave to these people…

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    I’m pretty sure Minnesota imports something like 60% of our energy - i’m at least glad we’re past the worst of the winter weather but holy fuck is it going to suck

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    Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it… America needs to learn, I say this as an American.

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      Honestly, I don’t think there’s going back to any level of normal. Maybe by quickly destroying the system, we will be able to quickly rebuild it (after all the destruction to everyone’s lives)

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        Elon and Trump seem to be intentionally destroying the system, or are so profoundly stupid that they’ve pulled a “We did it Patrick! We saved the city!”

        Honestly with those two I can never tell if they’re being dumb or malicious.

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          I can definitely tell that they are always being malicious. Sociopaths like them doesnt do humanitarian acts, it is always exclusively about themselves

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            Him blanket accusing a guy of pedophilia simply because he was getting more attention and didn’t wanna use a Musk made submarine was everything I needed to see to know he’d turn out like this

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    Whole world needs to put 300 percent tarrifs on the US until they realise they are 5 percent of the world and aren’t in a position to bully others.

    China’s going to eat their lunch if they keep things as they are.

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        GDP is largely a bullshit metric anyway.

        Two economists are walking in a forest when they come across a pile of shit.

        The first economist says to the other “Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.

        They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says “l pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.

        Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, “You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. can’t help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing.” “That’s not true”, responded the second economist. “We increased the GDP by $200!”

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        All based on the dollar belling the oil reserve currency, when other countries switch America’s going to be the first fourth world country.

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            Times have changed, I guess. When I lived in Honduras, it was a pet peeve of folks when Americans would call themselves Americans. You’d get reminded that anyone who lives on the continent is American too.

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          If you went anywhere else in the world and said “I’m USian”, they wouldn’t know what you meant. You’d probably first say “I’m from the US”.

          “USian” sounds terrible.

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            Ya, all of South America just out here proud of Vespucci, the pickle dealer. First thing they say landing in Tokyo for a visit. “Hello, I’m American,” they say.

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          I think if you called Canadians or Mexicans “Americans” right now, they would be very offended.

          Also, USian just sounds really fucking dumb.

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            Yeah I don’t know about people from other countries in N and S America, but here in Canada American means from the United States of America. I’m North American, not American.

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            We’d always have been offended, just now we’re more likely to be “immediate punch to the face” offended.

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            In Spanish, as far as I know, “americano” = inhabitant of the American continent, “estadounidense” = person from the US, so I don’t think Mexicans would be offended at the first, at least not in Spanish.

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    They need to do this and make it absolutely clear that it is 100% Trump’s fault. They cannot be allowed to make the claim that canada did it unprovoked or for the lulz.

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      The people who voted for Trump or stayed home are not going to understand that. They are the snowflakes and so caught up in their feelings that they can’t be reasoned with.

      Every day there’s more “leopards eating faces” stories and in pretty much every single one, the face-eaten dumbarses Don realize that what happened was part of the plan all along.

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      Trudeau got in front of the cameras today and spelled this out. Our government chose to take this action, and Canada is having an entirely reasonable response. Once the tarrifs end, we can go back to where we were, but in the meantime, Americans need to learn how much they rely on Canadian trade and need to understand that this is entirely our government’s fault.

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        Sadly, fox, oan and the usual right wing echo chambers aren’t gonna feed Trudeau’s message to their idiot masses. The people he reached are people that probably have at least half a clue what’s happening and who is responsible.

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          those “proaganda-tainment” isnt going to mention trumps tariffs negatively affecting maga voters. i distinctly remember almost none of them did when he put tariffs in effect the 1st term.

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        There really is no way to back to where we were. We can only go forward from here. This is a bell that can’t be unrung.

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      I agree with the sentiment but those states are all pretty blue. Trump might just let it happen to widen the divide and somehow claim that it’s punishment for not bending the knee.

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        Im gonna tell you right now, as a Canadian, we do not care what colour your states are.

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          This is a great comment.

          I think that Americans have forgotten that not everything in the world fits into US partisan politics.

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            Americans rarely think outside of terms of “America” and “not America”

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            Secession is a nice idea, but merging into Canada is a nonstarter.

            Canada is 40 million people, New York is 20 million. That kind of influx would be insane to manage. And that’s just one state…

            I can only think of east/west Germany as the closes parallel and they are still merging the halves.

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              I agree. I think we’d be better off supporting their new independent nation[-states?] than absorbing them. Too many systemic issues and too large of a population to change overnight, not to mention all the guns. Maybe we could accept Hawaii, I think they’re far enough removed from the continental states.

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                Isn’t the balkanization of the US explicitly part of Russia’s goal, and establishment of city-states (or CityCorps) the explicit goal of the dark enlightenment types that Peter Thiel is backing?

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              Let’s start with something smaller - Vermont is cool, they can come over (PS Bring Bernie).

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              “We can’t merge states with Canada because what if we tried with <third largest state with largest city in either country>?”

              Your logic here is flawless.

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          Got it. The Americans who have been struggling against this shit storm are still allowed to communicate.

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            Yeah well the country you guys are threatening to invade is allowed to have a fucking opinion on it.

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              I support that. I invite you to hate on the US government and the assholes that put it in power. But you do yourself and many like me a disservice by acting like all US citizens want this to happen.

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                We are not acting like all US citizens wanted this to happen, but we understand that this is happening and what you wanted at this point is not relevant. If you don’t want to be lumped into the rest of your belligerent nation, do something.

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        Given that Canadians don’t typically vote in American elections, I don’t see how that has anything to do with us or should affect our decision making.

        The USA is tariffing us, not just the red states.

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          Yeah, the us is bad at thinking everyone is inside their crazy system. It does not matter to us if you state “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos”, at the end of the day you are all citizens of a belligerent nation. Your government is representing you all on the world stage, if you don’t like it do something about it.

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        That’s some weird logic. Trump enacts tariffs on Canada,who retaliates in kind, so you’re worried about blue votes. Trump may claim that after the fact, but he’s definitely not playing chess that many moves ahead.

        The dude can barely plan a double jump with hopscotch, much less checkers.

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          Trump enacts tariffs on Canada.

          Exactly. Trump. Not the states that voted against him. If you want to retaliate, retaliate against Trump. Make him, and the people that voted for him feel the pain.

          Look at the things he’s doing domestically. There’s nothing he and his MAGA dipshits love more than sticking it to the blue states. So, Canada doing something that predominantly hurts blue states isn’t going to hurt Trump at all. Quite the contrary, it’s going to give him huge hard-on.

          So, if your goal is to help Trump, well then carry on.

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            Like it or not, Trump’s actions are America’s actions now and we’ll fight back in any way we can.

            Also Canadians are pretty pissed at Americans in general right now

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            Cutting off power in blue states will mean that the energy has to come from somewhere else, which means higher demand, and higher costs across multiple states, also red ones.

            And let’s not pretend those “blue states” don’t have very large numbers of maga idiots as well

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              Washington State, here. Can confirm. Seattle and Bellingham carry the state blue. Them yokels everywhere else vote red.

              I’ve literally seen Dixie flags here in Washington. Like, how fucking dumb do you need to be?

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                I’m curious, is there somewhere you can see votes broken down by county, or preferably more granular than that? I remember seeing an article a month ago about one of those small Alaskan panhandle towns that relies on its bigger BC neighbour town. They were begging the BC/Canadian government to take it easy on them because they didn’t vote for this but the article immediately fact checked them with an Alaskan government stat showing that town in particular voted something like 80% for Trump. My point is, I’ve been hearing a lot from both Point Roberts and Port Angeles and I’m curious if they’re full of shit or not.

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                  Definitely not. Port Angeles has a major ferry service going back and forth to Victoria. I love that ferry ride - you often get to see grey whales on the trip, and god damn, Vicky is just one of the most beautiful cities. I love it so much. I wish I could move there.

                  I’m not sure this gets granular enough. I don’t think that the upper peninsula is as blue as this map suggests, seeing as when I was there before the election, it was just littered with Trump signs. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-washington/

                  Far be it from me to suggest a Fox site, but this also breaks it down: https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/wa-county-voted-president

                  Anyhow, the GOP voters will, in the words of the inimitable Ricky from Trailer Park Boys, “cut off their nose for spiderface.”

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        those states are all pretty blue.

        Minnesota is. Michigan tends to be (especially now that our districts are drawn independently), but we voted for Trump as a state. And New York is mostly red except for NYC.

        I almost want to see our power bills skyrocket in Michigan. But at the same time I know full well the dipshits who voted red (including my own family) will blame everyone else before they blame the people who might end abortion. So it won’t matter. They won’t learn. Instead we’ll all suffer because of their idiocy and they’ll continue to think that we’re winning.

        (In fact they’ll be thrilled because it will mean increased oil and natural gas production to close the gap in demand.)

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          The problem with that is trying to ramp up oil and gas production in the US is a losing proposition. Even with a friendly administration, it takes a long time and a lot of money to do it and it may not pay off.

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      Maybe you guys should just kick out the traitors that very obviously work for a foreign government.

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        We wanted to. Unfortunately, the corporations run the country and so we have no effective opposition party. The Democrats are as beholden to big money donors as the Mazis.

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      Or even better: Discuss it with Ukraine, US gets no say in the deal. And if drumpf disagrees, the reply will be “you don’t want electricity.”

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        I actually had a good laugh at this… Then I had to login to my second account to up vote this twice.

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        The only people who are dying are those who are trying to defend their country from a mad man intent on concurring them and those who are fighting in support of that mad man’s goal. Ukraine does not want to bow down to Putin’s tyranny. Putin should leave Ukraine to the Ukrainians, then the killing can stop.

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        Trump is “gambling with lives.” He’s “gambling with World War III.” He’s “showing major disrespect for the country, our country.”

        He should say sorry. I haven’t heard him tell us “thank you” for anything this entire time.

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          What does that have to do with anything? There is nothing Trump can do or not do that changes the moral consequences of our actions that kill people.

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          You people are fucked up. Literally brainwashed. This is what happens when people are trained from birth to be afraid of empathy so they never have to experience the pain of others. The dichotomy here isn’t whether or not to cut off power, it’s whether or not to do it in a planned way that permits people to not actually fucking die.

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            Hospitals have their own backup generators and so do lots of schools. Communities can band together to set up shelters. If Americans choose not to save Americans from the consequences of American actions, that’s on them. Don’t believe for a second that your lecturing on empathy has any weight whatsoever. You’re preaching to the empathetic. We all just found out that there’s a limit and a breaking point to being sorry for people finding out after they fucked around.

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    Do it Canada. The dumber half of our country needs to learn the hard way. And, unfortunately, the smarter half has to go along for the ride.

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      The dumber half of our country needs to learn…

      The won’t. You need to target trump’s real support, which is Russia and billionaires. Going after his voters is like kicking a dog for eating it’s own puke. The poor animal just isn’t capable of understanding what it did or why you kicked it.

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        Isn’t Canada donating seized Russian assets to the Ukrainian war effort?

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      Exactly. The entire reason Trump is President again is because we did not take the serious extreme and required actions after the 2020 elections to ensure that him, his supporters, and enablers could never participate in American society again.

      The same mistake we made after the civil war we decided that we would be generous and go easy on those who betrayed us. We are still paying for that mistake we are still paying for the mistake with Trump. The only thing fascist understand is violence in the only way fascism ends is through violence.

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    (Copy-pasting from another thread)

    I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.

    The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.

    If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.

    Doctorow advocating for this plan:

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      Big up DemocracyNow. Every American should have them as one of their sources of news.

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      Now that’s an idea! Hit us back where it hurts, right in the oligarchs

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      We could stop respecting US copyright laws everywhere outside of the US. That would be hilarious.

      I mean I already don’t respect them, but legally they still matter unfortunately.

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    Good for them, maybe our economy will collapse too, and an angry mob will storm the white house and kick Trump out. He can emergency evacuate to Russia, and we can find an administration that isn’t insane.

    Heyy… a guy can dream.

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        Im still flabbergasted that so many people are just shrugging at what Trump is doing and saying, well, if only Kamala or the DNC did this or that instead. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.

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          In general, the more a person brags about something, the less true it is — and Americans love to brag about how tough and free they are…

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            Oh, how disappointing, I thought leftists crossed a broad spectrum of thinking and many were annoyingly, mutually, critical.

            Which semi-fictional political segment generalization is self-reflexive then?

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      Cept that is what the rich want. Shit to fall apart. Cuz then they get to buy shit up for cheap and consolidate even more wealth.

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        The rich aren’t going to be buying anything if the dollar is literally worthless. Hyperinflation is no joke.

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          Also, they won’t be buying anything if they become festive decorations on fences and lampposts across the country.

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          The Rich™ want to buy the dip and buy up property (see project 2025). They need the economy to break but not to completely collapse. And then it will “bounce back” enough that they can transfer their USD to other currencies.

          Whether trump’s fucking stupidity will accomplish that seems REAL questionable.

          That said: Massive power outages (also, this is just the equivalent of a state governor with a crackhead brother saying it to appear strong to Canada’s conservatives) might be what this country needs to get out en masse in places other than the blue states.

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        That works until their shit gets burned.

        When the only things left to buy have to be built with hands and eyes, they will have to share the wealth with the rest of us.

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      I wish we weren’t pinning our hopes on angry mobs. But you play the hand you are delt.

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      We won’t do shit until we are literally starving. Look right here at Lemmy, non-stop memes and stories about how what horrible economic shape we’re in. So how is everyone fat?! Meanwhile, I go to work and look at what’s for sale, at what prices, and think, “Jesus, people pay for this?!”

      Even the Great Depression didn’t have us storming the White House. Think on that.

      tl;dr: Americans aren’t near broke enough to band together.

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        You say that but the other team went far into your capitol and they looked well nourished enough.

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        The great depression had the bonus march. They camped in front of the white house and were dispersed with tear gas and cavalry charge led by Douglas MacArthur.

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        Very true.

        But we’re speedrunning the fall of America.

        Give it another year or two. You’ll start seeing widespread violence. We can only cross our fingers that it gets directed properly toward our traitorous government.

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      Considering he won an undisputed election and at least a quarter of his base are gun nuts, plus police love to use excessive force & violence, that scenario would probably play out poorly for pretty much everyone. I would say try to show conservatives how terrible he really is, but that’s not going to happen in Lemmy. I’m not even conservative, I’m anti-authoritarian centrist but even I find this place extremely hostile to conversation with anyone who doesn’t embrace the group-think.

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          If you take a shot at the king, you best not miss.

          In reality, it isn’t shitty enough for people to revolt. 3 days of food scarcity and shit will happen that makes the French revolution look tame.

          And that is when you stage a coup.

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          Well, yeah. But if people try to forcibly remove him before that happens probably there will a lot of unnecessary beatings, incarceration and death. Honestly even leftists have been saying this system needs torn down for decades. So if he tears it down, build back better.