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Just to add a bit: in my country blinking your emergency lights (when all of your turn signals are going) for 2-3 times as a thank you is very common. It’s even considered rude not to use them e.g. after you were let in.
I don’t know if that is something in other countries. I live in Hungary.
It’s not exactly universal. In Germany, this can be interpreted as you warning of a pending emergency and trigger slowdown; they’d do thanks by signalling left-right-left-right rapidly.
Wtf this is like dark souls pantomime shit. You drivers really need a better way to communicate
Like a simple secondary horn that’s quieter and less aggressive?
Maybe like a kazoo
Oh, yeah, we use that too. It’s absolutely contextual, on the highway we use it for what you described.
blinking your emergency lights
In the US, truck drivers sometimes do this as a “thank you” if you flash your brights to them to let them know they can safely change lanes to the right after they’ve passed you (which is a nice thing to do for them since they can’t really see shit behind on their right).
As a truck driver, it pisses me off when truckers don’t gimme the blinkies.
I do it on occasion, I’m in the US.
I learned that this is a common practice in Japan, from a Youtube video I watched years ago. I adopted it after watching it. I live in the US.
I found the drivers in Hungary very considerate and polite in general.
We do that in the UK. I wouldn’t say it’s universal but it’s pretty common.
A friendly meep meep and a hoooooonk would be nice.
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More complicated extension to this. I want a collection of standard of messages that I can send to other drivers while driving (like 6 buttons max). Some standard low distance wireless (probably based on or just Bluetooth)
Like:
- “Hey check your car its got something wrong with it”
- “Hey you’re in my lane”
- “Hey slow down it’s dangerous here”
- “Hey watch out road hazard ahead”
- “Go ahead”
- “I’m going now”
- etc
Just flashing lights, horns, hand gestures, and yelling out my window is a freaking game of charades man!
Basically, I like the idea of a quieter horn, and a regular horn. But we need like driving emotes, rather than the tea bagging hello equivalent
Like the Chevy Volt? (No, not my video. I don’t condone the filming while driving but it’s the best demo I could find.)
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City buses in my town have specific horns for pedestrians, much quieter than those for cars
I’ve always wanted car to car commutation not through horns but radios or loudspeakers.
You thought internet trolls were a nuance… Just wait till they can bother you while driving.
This. I’d only accept this if everyone, and then I mean EVERYONE on the road has the patience of a saint and the radio discipline of an airline pilot at all times. I’d be fine if the most threatening you could ever expect is a “four six golf victor delta niner, your blinker is still live and your tail light is out, be advised, over” but you just KNOW there’s gonna be someone who’ll go “HEY YOU removed IN A WHITE VAN! STAY OUT OF MY FUCKING LANE OR I’LL END YOU AND YOUR MOTHER!”
I remember reading on that other site at some point about airline pilots and the ‘guard’ channel which is supposedly used for shitposts. Any pilot on here that can confirm? This about the discipline of airline pilots.
Thank you Lemmy for censoring my comment. And I guess we lost exactly zero energy with the profanity removed 😅
Flash of high beams do work in some cases, but require that they are in front of you
Ah so we need rear high beams
Few taps on break lights is actually similar signal backwards than high beams forward.
I have like a Pavlovian response to immediately feather my own breaks and check my rearview if I see any red in front of me though lol
Hearing aids that don’t auto connect to whatever my neighbors are playing on Bluetooth. Also hearing aids with a Bluetooth block list
Seriously I’m fucking losing my mind over this. 3 times in under 10 minutes last night my hearing aids stopped playing the tv I was listening to to play the Bluetooth that my neighbors or their kids were listening to. Suddenly mid conversation with my wife about it, bam, music.
If you live in the US that sounds like something the FDA should be notified about. It’s probably not legal to sell a hearing aid that can so easily be hijacked by another party, or if it is, it really shouldn’t be. Either way, FDA regulates hearing aids so they are the ones to complain to.
The problem is inherent to Bluetooth, The only way to make it not be like this would be to make things dramatically more difficult to connect to things over Bluetooth.
??
I’m no expert on the technical side of the protocol, but my BT devices only ever connect to sources they’ve been paired with.
Why would this be more difficult for hearing aids than for headphones?
Not at all, those ones are permanently in pairing mode with no interaction required and instead it should require manual pairing
That’s horrible!
Do you have a tv connector for your hearing aides to connect to or is it connecting straight to the television?
Work in retirement home where lots of people use hearing aides with their televisions. Have not come across this issue.
Most connect via an external device paired to their hearing aide specifically.
I have a tv beam device
You don’t mean the “As Seen on TV” device do you?
No, my audiologist gave it to me. And it’s not like my neighbors are using one. It switches to Bluetooth streaming for their stuff according to my hearing aid app
It’s just weird that it switches to someone’s Bluetooth. Usually there is some sort of combination of basic authentication required and confirmation. Have you tried something like a “factory reset” on the device?
Yes. I would expect the Bluetooth receiving device to have to be paired with the transmitter
As someone who works in live entertainment, Bluetooth is the bane of my existence. Every single show, I get multiple people asking if they can connect their hearing aids to my system via Bluetooth. The issue is that this question comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of how Bluetooth works.
Hearing Assist Systems have a variety of methods. All have their benefits and drawbacks. But notably, the requirement for HAS is that they provide an identical experience to the user as someone who isn’t hard of hearing. And that’s one of the big drawbacks of Bluetooth. Bluetooth introduces lag. HAS typically works either via radio, infrared light, EM loop, or wifi. And only the first three are acceptable for live events, while wifi is more popular for gyms.
The first three HAS all send an audio signal to the user without lag. Radio is a good example because most people understand how they work. The venue has a low power radio broadcaster (because FCC limits how powerful your radio broadcasts can be without an extremely expensive license) in the room, then each user can dial a receiver to that specific band. Then they’re able to plug headphones or a neck loop into the receiver. And boom, you have a distributed HAS with very little effort. Infrared does the same basic thing, with a light transponder instead of a radio antenna. The receivers watch for that light, and send the signal to the headphones. Lastly, EM coil. Many hearing aids have the ability to listen for EM broadcasts. The venue can install a loop around the room, which acts as a giant electromagnet. The hearing aid user switches to that EM mode, and they can pick up that magnetic signal. This is particularly popular in schools, where radio would have a lot of interference from rooms being so close together; The hearing aid user only hears the signal when they’re inside of the loop.
But all three of these have one thing in common: They have zero latency. The hardware to take an analog audio signal, convert it to radio/infrared/EM, and broadcast it, is faster than the time it takes for the audio signal to move from a singer’s mouth to the microphone. It’s nearly instant, because it’s all analog. There is no digitization that needs to take place; Ir’s just converting one type of energy (electrical energy from the audio signal) into other types of energy. And that is easy and cheap to do.
WiFi is popular for gyms, because it introduces a delay in the audio signal. WiFi requires packets, which requires a digital conversion. And that packetization takes time. It’s a processor calculating 1’s and 0’s. But it’s acceptable for gyms, where you’re only listening to a TV mounted on the wall. They can delay the video signal by the same amount, and you’re golden. Now the delayed video signal and the delayed wifi audio are arriving at the same time, so the experience is identical regardless of how you’re listening. But you can’t delay a live event. Shit on stage happens in real time. So WiFi isn’t an acceptable medium for live events.
And Bluetooth is even worse than wifi, because it requires pairing. The Bluetooth protocol requires a handshake between the broadcaster and the receiver, which means it can’t be scaled to larger crowds. Even with the issues of wifi, you can at least broadcast it to an entire room. But for Bluetooth, you would need an individual broadcaster for every single person who wants to connect. It doesn’t scale. It would be like needing to install a new radio antenna for every single person who wants to listen to the radio broadcast. It simply isn’t scalable.
Plus there’s the fact that Bluetooth is a digital system that requires packets just like wifi, which introduces that latency. Even the best Bluetooth systems designed for specific brands (like AirPods being designed specifically for iPhones) have latency. And that’s under ideal conditions. A potential bluetooth system meant for hearing aids wouldn’t be operating under ideal conditions; It would be designed to be compatible with as many different devices as possible, which means you can’t use bespoke programming to reduce latency. And in a venue where you’re hearing both the room noise and the hearing aid, any amount of latency will cause an “echo” effect that makes it completely unusable.
But none of that matters, because I still get annoyed Karens going “but I can connect to my phone, so why can’t I connect to your system?” And even if I bothered explaining all of this, the most I’d get is an entitled scoff.
Yeah that’s terrible. I mentioned elsewhere that my tv uses a different system and it’s actually what they should be hoping you have available. My audiologist said it’s an evolution of the old inductive loops (ah back in the day I almost got one of those designed for personal headphone use). I can’t confirm it is because I’m not taking it apart while trying to remember how the fuck electromagnetic communication works.
Also depending on the performance I’m amazed that people can hook it up. I still turn mine off for concerts, though that may be more the music I like is the sort to make me go deafer than my genes.
Why are medical devices operating on the same band as consumer devices??
Because hearing impaired people want to connect it to their normal devices, like TVs and Phones?
Bluetooth is Bluetooth, no matter the usage. They’re only allowed to operate on a specific frequency range.
Bluetooth connectivity is a feature. And tbh I love it, it’s headphones specifically set to compensate for my hearing loss, that I can connect to my phone and theoretically my computer. I can listen to audiobooks without taking out my hearing aids (though switching to dome molds means earbuds fit in without taking them out) and I can make phone calls beam into my ears. Even beyond that, it connects to my phone via Bluetooth and gives me the ability to control settings on them. These settings include different sound settings for situations like meetings as well as muting which I need sometimes because of things like loud coworkers and the stress of always hearing.
Until this inconvenience it managed to take an assistive device from “ugh I have to wear these even though they’re uncomfortable (the discomfort isn’t just the fit, it’s also being able to hear everything) to having enough convenient features that I sometimes wear them at home.
And yeah these nice features do matter because one of the most difficult things about hearing aids is getting people to power through the initial discomfort when they first get them. Also there’s just the nice to have factor. Why shouldn’t medical devices have nice features that can be easily implemented. Like transition lenses or putting a cup holder on a wheelchair.
They have Bluetooth for convenience to help you listen to regular audio sources, but they should definitely have better controls available. Sounds like theirs are permanently in pairing mode
Are these OTC hearing aids? Or prescription ones from a reputable audiologist and brand? Every brand I have worked with require the devices to be in pairing mode to do that (the first 30 to 60 seconds of when the devices turn on)
They’re unitron, and expensive enough they better not be otc, Especially since I got them with a hearing test and everything. And maybe my neighbor accidentally turned their device on as I turned my hearing aids on. I do give them and myself a little break when I get home from work many days
I have a Bluetooth speaker that I use for both my phone and wired via an aux/3.5mm cable to my PC. When hard wired the PC’s sound takes preference, which is what I want but it still connects via Bluetooth to my phone every damn time and mutes all the audio coming from my phone!
Batteries inside of stove/microwave/coffee machine/etc. with the sole purpose of keeping the time from resetting when it loses power.
You don’t even need that. My microwave is wifi connected but still can’t keep time. Instead of using NTP like any appliances or industrial control system in the last decade+, it syncs to your phone time though an app.
Wtf.
my microwave doesnt need wifi its a fucking microwave
A rather neat feature is scanning the barcode of an item with the phone app and the heating program is set automatically.
But setting the time automatically using ntp would have been enough for me.
I’m guessing that the way it works is it’s sending the barcode number to the microwave supplier, the supplier sends it to 5738 vendors who have legitimate interest in updating the profile they already have on you, then the heating programme is sent back to you. The same heating programme is described on the package you already hold in your hands. Fingers crossed that your microwave is getting security updates, if not, someone could be downloading all data from your laptop because they got into your network using a microwave. That is the reality of IoT.
I just wish my microwave could have a Facebook login.
How many screen taps does it take to scan your food and send it to the microwave vs typing in the time like normal?
“Smart” microwave might be generally helpful, but a lot of them aren’t for some reason, they went the first step of connecting to wifi and stopped there. Getting notification when ready or setting specific time and program via google voice instead of fiddling with controls is genuinely useful stuff that I would love to have
I’m so tired of everything being wifi connected
Nothing in my house is WiFi connected, other than computers and phones. It’s staying that way forever.
How about a custom OpenBSD router which allows only whitelisted traffic through, with a custom DNS server and comprehensive network monitoring, for aren’t we paranoid?
Orrrrrr
Only computers and phones
Life is easy
Four desktop
Two rPi
Two ifone
One iPad
All we need
Life is good
Fuck IoT
All my homies hate IoT
If you have wifi you need to store it’s credentials somewhere, and you run into same issue.
Actually automatic way would be to just take GPS signals clock time.
RCC has been available since the 80s. Much of the wold has been covered by radio time broadcasts that would be used by devices to set their own time but somehow it didn’t start to become really commonplace until wifi allowed for 2-way communications 🤔
I’ve conditioned myself fully by this point to only use the clock on the stove as an indicator of whether my power has or has not gone out
How often does your power go out? Why can’t you be bothered to set the time every ~10 years that probably happens?
Personally, where I live now, my power has gone out in the last five years more often than the rest of my life combined. I’m in my mid 30s.
That’s crazy! Where do you live?
I live in a rented house, it’s a double bungalow style with a lovely family attached. During COVID our power was out for three days straight. It was wild. Luckily I have a car that I can waste tons of gas to charge my things with (also luckily it has like seven USB ports), and also some battery packs that can charge things.
Went out and got tons of ice to put in the refrigerator and freezer and cooler.
Set up our iPad connected to our phone as a hot spot and watched YMS play Jump King for all three days. It was wonderful. I miss being NEETs.
I guess you haven’t cleaned your microwave in 10 years or had to do any electrical maintenance in the kitchen.
My microwave does not have a digital timer. And yes, over the ~9 years I am living in my current flat, I did not have to do any electrical maintenance. Do you have to do that regularly?
I’ll have momentary power losses probably once or twice per quarter, depending on bad thunderstorms or nearby construction, things that happen worldwide and affect power grids indiscriminately.
I do set my stove clock, I just ironically find it more useful to not improve it in this ridiculously simple way because it’s a good indicator of whether my home has had a power outage. Lol
Even just a capacitor to keep the time for 10 minutes or so. That would cover 99% of the power outages in my home
Computers have CMOS batteries. They are pretty cheap. I don’t know why they haven’t been added yet.
That’s most likely what they’re referring to: batteries for the RTC.
Just connect an overpriced UPS to every device ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As a bonus, you can still make coffee in a power cut.
At this point I believe there is a conspiracy behind it
Any maps app that, when you set a route, lets you decide “don’t give me any directions until I get to X step” and/or “don’t give any directions after X step”. I dont like hearing the navigation when I don’t need it, and that would save me from having to open or close the navigation while I’m still driving.
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Adding on. An option to set complicated maneuver(s) up ahead voice notification and a prep notification for said complicated maneuver. The latter gives you an end goal statement. Such as, ‘Be in the left turn lane on the ramp up ahead.’ Then if you desire to enable it in the settings, hear what step-by-step actions need to be taken.
This generally does happen on iphone maps. At least when I have two back to back things I need to do it’s normally phrased like “do this, and then shortly after do that”
Tomtom made the first steps with this almost 20 years ago, it could show a second quick instruction in a smaller box, and it only showed it like that if it was in quick succession. Kind of crazy that a gazillion dollar company somehow can’t pin it down
Hijacking this with my mini rant: GOOGLE if you provide me with three possible routes to my destination and I specifically select one… DON’T FUCKING CHANGE IT MID-DRIVE GODDAMMIT!
I feel this has become so much worse the past couple months. "There’s an accident ahead reported 8 hours ago, I’m gonna reroute to the highway you asked me to avoid, you have 5 seconds to decline :) ". Cool, guess I’ll need to pull over and fix it, again.
As implemented, it’s beyond terrible. The only way I know of to disable it is to turn off mobile data (or disable mobile data for google services / maps). Maybe that’s changed semi-recently, I dunno.
I can understand the utility of a feature that can dynamically adjust your directions so that you’re always on the fastest route, but what Google has implemented has serious and dangerous flaws. The fact that the change in route is automatic and without my consent unless I interact with my phone in a set interval of time WHILE DRIVING is ridiculous, and once it switches over, there’s no quick and easy way to undo that.
Additionally, it doesn’t seem to understand that I don’t care if the toll road will save me 3 minutes on this trip, I don’t want to pay a toll or deal with the inevitable billing screw up. I don’t care if making a dozen turns through unfamiliar urban/suburban side streets will questionably save me 5 minutes, I’d prefer the relative safety and predictability of a straight path down the interstate. I also don’t want to drive down a winding, unlit rural highway after dark during deer season just because it’s a few minutes faster than if I stayed on the well-lit road with a lot more vehicle activity.
And, that’s just the start of my Google Maps rant.
I agree with you but there is a setting to turn off tolls and faries, etc.
Those work at the beginning, when you first set your route, but I don’t think they necessarily work when the app re-routes you. At least, the no toll option doesn’t seem to work around here in the past. Hopefully it’s fixed now. I’m all for that.
Might have been a bug. I’ve set it to never take me through either and it never has. Might also be area dependant.
Or stop zooming in to the max, leaving me with zero information! The only choice left is to blindly drive into the river when instructed to do so.
I think this is a brilliant feature. I’ve never thought of it, but this would totally solve the issue I have with being told basically 15 times some version of “don’t get off the highway at the junction” which is really annoying so I end up muting the directions the majority of the time, and that backfires pretty consequentially on occasion.
I get it but there is an easy toggle from spoken directions to alerts which I find easy to toggle.
At least on Apple and Google maps
Well yes we all know that, but the idea of the feature is that it saves you from messing up if you aren’t focused on your technology at a critical moment.
You can set the voiced directions in Google maps to mute
But he wants voiced directions.
Just only when they’re actually useful.
Warm white LEDs inside of coloured glass bulbs to make LED Christmas lights that don’t look like gamer vomit.
Technology Connections did a video about this and talked about this company https://tru-tone.com
Maybe OP is Alec from Technology Connections
Proceeds to paint lights
Best Christmas tradition
Gamer vomit… I love it!
Nice try but I’m keeping my even more instant instant noodles to myself.
I’ll give you a hint though, the secret is in being ok with pumping boiling water into your stomach.
This sounds like a Florida man headline waiting to happen
It’s been almost 27 years since the first Austin Powers movie and the world still doesn’t have any sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads.
Would you settle for ill tempered sea bass?
Frick! You’re right!
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This
A better voicemail.
I just re-watched the introduction of the first iPhone, and one thing that stood out to me was this “visual voicemail” thing they showed. To this day I still just get an SMS if someone leaves a message, and then have to call my voicemail and listen to recordings one by one. That’s still the norm for standard phone contracts here afaik, it’s ridiculous!
I didn’t know that was even still a thing. For years now on my iPhone I’ve just looked at the text transcriptions of my voicemail in my phone app.
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I set mine up in 2009 and it is shocking to me how this is not the standard
This has been a standard android feature on the phones I’ve owned for the last… I wanna say 10 years.
I’m sure it could be comfortable in an English speaking country.
Now my iPhone, actually transcribes my voicemail live and gives me the opportunity to pick up during them leaving the voicemail. Like old-school answering machines used to do.
That’s odd, Android transcribes my messages by default
Seems to heavily depend on your provider. Some work with the standard phone apps, some have their own apps, but most don’t seem to offer it at all here in Germany. One even sends you an audio MMS instead and just calls that “Visual Mailbox”. It’s crazy to me that such a basic and useful feature still isn’t just a standard thing on all phones.
My husband and I have the same provider but different brands of phone. I have visual voicemail, he doesn’t and my phone is the older one. It seems like Samsung and Apple are the only ones to even offer the app so far.
It depends on your service provider. In Canada they charge for it. Last time I checked it was around $7/month.
How do you make it do that mine’s not doing that. And I’m on the latest version of Android.
Using the Google phone app, one of the tabs is voicemail and it automatically converts it to text.
Mine also allows you to see each voicemail in your acct inbox and play/delete/call back each one like a song on a media player.
There’s still the cell providers limit on how many voicemails are allowed though. Better to use Google voice and have unlimited voice mail
I’ve had my google voice account handle voicemails for like 15 years and it did that for me. Well, now I don’t have to, but it’s been great.
I generally love T-Mobile, but it’s obnoxious that they charge an extra monthly fee if you want visual voicemail.
Wait what, when did that happen
I’ve had them for years and it’s always been that way
I have a Samsung S20 and it has visual voicemail, haven’t dialed my voicemail in years. I assumed most phones from the past couple years had it, but my husband’s Google pixel doesn’t,.
I agree, this needs to be a standard.
Huh on iPhone in the UK. I get a transcript of any left messages.
RISUG is cheap, permanent, safe, reversible male birth control.
It was invented in 1979, and has not yet come to market.
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I had never heard of that. For more in-depth reading, if anyone else is interested: NIH - RISUG
Thanks, i never heard of this. Now ill never get to play my favorite boardgame:
Why the fuck don’t receipts just show up in my bank / credit card statements?
Do you want your bank to see everything you’ve purchased?
Even banks don’t want to see everything you’ve purchased. That opens them up to a whole new avenue of subpoenas from police trying to prove crimes. They already have entire legal compliance departments dedicated to fulfilling subpoenas for financial crimes. They don’t want even more responsibility.
No, but I want to see what I’ve purchased T_T. While we’re at it I’d like public key cryptography to see more use, haha.
Umm… If you’re using their cars they definitely do… That’s how this works…
I guess you mean their cards.
And they should only see the amount and counterparty, not your entire invoice.
buys a single item from Bad Dragon
They know where I spent how much money; probably wouldn’t take much to figure out what I could have bought in a situation like that where every individual product is slightly cheaper or more expensive than the last.
They’d have to want to do that math, though.
Apart from David’s paws they also have sweaters and shirts
Phone assistants responding to you in the same volume of voice you used to address them.
This would require a way of judging the distance you’re speaking from. Calling out from another room might get a whispered response, and vice versa.
This seems solvable. There are differences in pitch between a nearby whisper and a distant shout.
I agree, but I wouldn’t call it a “no-brainer.”
Maybe not. I’ve heard of apps that can detect mood and I imagine being able to tell that someone is sad from the tone of their voice should be more challenging than picking up the relative difference in inflection, quality of overtone saturation, application of the built in compressor, etc.
A printer that works
Brother laser printers.
Stop wasting money on inkjet printers if you don’t print regularly
Mine was brilliant and now it’s sad and none of the troubleshooting steps for the symptoms I’m getting actually work. I suspect the room it’s in is too cold and humid and that’s making the toner clump, but I’m not keen on replacing mostly-full cartridges as the price has more than doubled since I got the printer.
Try putting the cartridges in a dehumidifier or wrapping them in paper and placing them on top of your radiators for a few hours, just be careful that they don’t get too hot (more than 50°C could be problematic)
Some sort of device to remove the heads from the ruling class
Trebuchets are relatively easy to assemble, made of readily available wood, and more than capable of yeeting the fattest of fat cats. They are also legal to own and require no permits.
#YeetTheRich
Personally, I’d love to turn it into a sort of Punkin’ Chunkin’ type event. Have different categories for accuracy and distance, then a separate division for non-traditional “cannon” type launchers.
Lastly, separate the launchers based on how the launcher is powered; Cannons may be pneumatic, but there should be a separate category for human powered launchers. Just like in Punkin Chunkin, the person has a limited amount of time to “charge” the launcher, via some mechanical means. Treadmill, hamster wheel, rowing, etc are all acceptable, as long as the launcher is entirely powered by the one person.
And just like in Punkin Chunkin, the shots only count if the billionaire is intact after launching; If they’re completely turned to mush while in the air, the shot is disqualified. Bonus points for keeping them conscious and screaming/flailing in the air.
Yes and let’s call it a guee-oh-teen
Nested Tags for contacts. Ability to add sub tags like Friends/BowlingGroup or Acquaintance/LocalChurchContact
I seriously don’t understand what’s difficult to tag contacts like this and ability to use them to message a group. It’s a serious no-brainer feature but not to be found anywhere.
Wasn’t this the central premise of Google Plus?
I guess strict nesting wasn’t possible, but strictly enforcing nesting would be problematic: the bowling group might have acquaintances, friends, and your actual brother.
I miss Google Plus for this exact reason! I really wish they wouldn’t have given up on it and just stuck to their guns. Kept it long enough for people to give it more of a try.
True I miss this feature from Google Plus. But I want this more for my local contact app more than social media. And good point on whether needing nesting strictly but given it is known to me that I can only filter in nested tags, I would create a new tag and add all there instead of making it a sub tag.
As a software engineer I’m interested in the value that would add over simply having combinations of the tags as is possible now
I think the question boils down to something like “For this data set, is there information captured by a tree representation that’s not captured by a list of categories?” Trees, or graphs in general, can capture path-based relationships. Categories are based of course on set theory.
I think both have their place, and like anything within mathematics or programming it comes down to which metaphor more naturally and easily expresses what you’re trying to do. I find trees and graphs easy to think about and represent visually, but it all depends on the problem space and the approach.
Note: This is assuming the kind of “tree” we implement permits multiple inheritance if needed.
I have a bachelor’s degree in maths so I get where you’re coming from. I’m asking, what specific functionality would nested tags provide that unnested tags do not. What is the return on investment for implementing this feature? Describe how this might improve your user experience with collections of objects? What actions in a user interface could you perform or would be made easier with nested tags that are not possible or are more cumbersome using only unnested tags?
Consider a data set that is naturally hierarchical and path related relationships are the central purpose of the data. Let’s say a genealogical database like some services run.
I can see a way of doing it with tags but mostly what I’m picturing has to add additional metadata to the tags that essentially represents the graph and has to add extra logic for resolving all of it.
If stored as nodes and edges you also have the capacity to add additional features to the relationships easily and naturally. That allows you do induce various subnetworks by edge flavor pretty easily. Network metrics such as centrality and clustering also fall out naturally.
Again, you can do it in tags because you can represent the network data as a table, which would in turn be translatable into possibly some long and complex tags. Or maybe there’s a more natural way, but for me the graph is easier to think about and write interesting algorithms for.
Check this use case I mentioned here: https://lemmy.world/comment/6114731
Mostly when you have multiple events where you could have made few tags and sub tags to capture the data instead now you have make multiple tags with parent and children as a tag
Hierarchical tags is also possible. In fact Gmail has it, so you can for example create a work tag and then subtags for each company you worked at, and do similar things with hobby tags, and apply multiple tags
These kind of tags are supported in all kinds of note taking apps. I don’t think it would be an Hercularian task to achieve it.
You’re right, it’s almost trivial.
But as someone who designs software I don’t immediately see any additional functionality. I’d like to understand the benefit to see if I want to incorporate the feature sometime
Alright I’ll provide a use case scenario. I wanted to this functionality when I was in uni where a lot of my contacts had more than one role to play and I had trouble remembering all the roles my contact would have. Let’s say one of my contact was my coursemate but also worked in organizing committee of an event. I knew other members of the organizing comittee as well. So in the event that I needed to share an information with the entire organizing committee, I needed to remember committee list members instead of software helping me. And what about another contact who also part of the event but was on a different team like Public Relations. You could say just another tag would suffice no need for nested ones. But this kind of events happens multiple times and I would have to create multiple tags for multiple events (instead of nesting) and it becomes cumbersome managing the list.
That’s awesome. I’d like to investigate it more…
You have the following contacts:
- coursemate
- commiteemember1
- commiteemember2
- commiteemember3
- prguy
How would you like to tag them?
Let’s say I have 4 contacts A,B,C&D
A is both a course x mate and committee member for event 1 So tags for A are /batch20xx/course_x/ /event1/OC/
B is senior of course x and also a committee member so tags for B are /batch20xy/course_x/ /event1/OC/
C is a batch mate but on a different course y and also part of committee member and tags are /batch20xx/course_y/ /event1/OC/
D is also a batch mate and course mate but is in PR So their tags are /batch20xx/course_x/ /event1/PR/
I hope this helps.
Don’t underestimate the legacy code. There’s a reason we avoid it.
I’m not sure how much legacy code is written for contact apps in smartphones. But given the amount of tweaks and changes apple and Google make in each of their releases I would expect they wouldn’t have any problem integrating this feature.
Also you mentioned legacy code, but why T9 dialing isn’t a thing anymore coz that would be available if they were simply extending from legacy codebase.
I was just making a joke. Hopefully, those apps are not like the hardcoded messes that I’ve had to deal with before.
Contact attached to a knowledge graph seems useful to me :)
Can you give more context or an example. Is it like sort of Obsidian graph but the nodes are all contacts or something?
As an example: https://linkedpeople.net/person/Q358587
But admittedly, I’ve just watched two videos on using Knowledge graphs with WikiData and Obsidian to make a personalized attempt at exobrains with AI, so I am biased to think it’s a good idea in general right now. I really like the idea of not just sorting by tag, but being able to get complex relations out of my personal data, so I can stop having to remember things like “ok so who all is a dev working on this project that would know something about the backend to the search function” and instead use data both available and inputed to get a list of contacts to review. It just gets to be a mess when teams get too large or too many interworking teams! You could extrapolate it to other interpersonal planning and coordination things too like “who would like to play a dungeon crawl for the next few weekends?”, grabbing both calander data where we can, maybe personal notes about whether they can make it to things regularly or be upcoming things for them, and whether they like those kinds of games. Not everything would be known of course, still gotta actually ask people, make a plan, etc, but make it easier you know?
The up coming weight loss drugs. I’m moderately over weight and been fighting it 20 years.
Having some help there would be a god send for a lot of people and I’m slightly optimistic on this round of drugs.
Yeah, companies starting an obesity epidemic by pumping us full of government subsidized corn syrup, only to solve that by getting us reliant on an exorbitantly expensive drug that you have to inject every day. How I love capitalism.
God fucking forbid we take any self responsibility.
I eat pretty much zero processed food and it’s incredibly easy and inexpensive.
I’m fat because I eat and snack too much and it’s 100% my fault.
I’m fat because I eat and snack too much and it’s 100% my fault.
I eat too much junk, too, but I am in pretty good shape.
I also know quite a few people who just don’t have the urge to eat a lot. They tend to eat small amounts, don’t finish their meals, sometimes forget to eat a meal when they’re busy. It is completely not relatable for someone like me.
Between the fact that people can eat a lot without getting fat, and that people don’t all have the same baseline urge to eat, I’d recommend you go a bit easier on yourself.
There are medical issues that cause weight gain fyi. Not everyone that is overweight can control it.
That’s fine, I completely agree. That has nothing to do with bullshit corps forced shitty food down my throat I was responding to.
Saying that out loud nowadays makes you a public enemy in quite a few circles, sadly enough.
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What are these drugs?
Ozempic is the big one, but there is Rybelsus, Trulicity, Wegovy, and others. They are for treating type 2 diabetes, but have been very popular for preventing type 2 diabetes, aka weight loss.
We’ve literally wasted decades because we’ve treated obesity as a personal failing rather than researching the problem.
Perhaps I’m ignorant, but obesity is largely a personal problem, no? The core issue is consuming more calories than the body is expensing, so how is that anyone else’s’ problem?
Do you think people magically started overeating just recently? There have there been changes in our food, changes in how we digest and our gut microbiome, pollutants like microplastics and forever chemicals, or other factors could have an influence on why we are getting fatter.
We created narcan and methadone even though that is at least as much a personal failing.
Do you think people magically started overeating just recently?
Poor people? Absolutely. They couldn’t afford enough calories to get fat.
There have always been fat rich people.
Food has been cheap and plentiful since the 50s. Obesity started decades later.
