• unalivejoy@lemmy.zip
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    I oppose war in Iran because was is detestable.

    You oppose war in Iran because you want troops in California instead.

    We are not the same.

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    When I hear someone like MTG say something like this my first thought isn’t “Oh, she’s finally figuring it out!” No. It’s “What fucked up way does she think people need to be brainwashed to align more with her brand of shittiness?”

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    Saw polling where even Trump voters only have 25% support for attack on Iran, and majority of all demographics oppose by over 50%. There is a huge disconnect between zionist supremacist media and politicians, and American people. Not just war, but marjority of Amercians have unfavourable view of Israel despite absolute political/media dominance to “educate them”.

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      Polls also show overwhelming support for social security and taxing the rich, the GOP don’t give af and the R voters won’t change how they vote over this.

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        Probably. Tucker Carlson is saying the same thing, so their handlers are telling them “nope, we don’t like that”.

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        I’m guessing everyone with a brain doesn’t want the US to go into Iran. It’s like these people didn’t learn anything from the last quarter century (and Vietnam before that).

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          Learn things? With our education system??? Buddy! What do you think this is??? A different country? Who’s this other country you’re thinking about??? They sound like someone we need to go to war with! Do they have oil?

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            You don’t need an education system, just past lived experience. Trump himself regularly lies about how he was always against the Iraq war. It’s just one letter off, should be pretty easy to work out what would happen if they did the same thing again.

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          Not to mention the terrain of Iran would prove an order of magnitude more difficult to overcome. Afghanistan was already very difficult for our military, imagine MORE mountains

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            Yep, huge country, difficult terrain, largely homogeneous culture that goes back to the Persian Empire, homegrown weapons industry that can build their own drones and missiles. This is going to be more difficult by orders of magnitude.

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        after all that trouble they went to get military aid to be diverted from ukraine, indirectly via trump. probably realized the war near thier own country could destabalize the region which can draw in russia, possibly pakistan,india and china.

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      A very, very dumb clock… Once every crazy dumb day…

      That’s the saying isn’t it?

      Jokes aside, agreed she’s right, and credit where it’s due for sure.

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    This is not a time to get hung up about identity politics, who’s red, who’s blue. Everyone should scream at the Trump regime that war with Iran is unacceptable and to never bring it up again.

    There will be time for bickering afterwards about details, but right now, everyone against this war should circle the wagons.

    And everyone not against this war needs to first say no to that war, second pick up an history book about Iraq and Afghanistan.

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      Kinda. MTG is ragging on Fox News, sure, but she’s also both-sides’ing media outlets on the left with her full quote:

      We have propaganda news on our side just as the left does

      She’s fishing for people to agree with her which legitimizes her claim that left-leaning news networks are just as untrustworthy as Fox News, which is an untrustworthy news outlet, but she doesn’t say shit about Breitbart or OANN or any of the other right-wing superspreaders of misinformation.

      So, she is a broken clock that’s currently pointing at the correct time, but she did it in a way to sneak in an untruth or two in there hoping that people would pick up on that and amplify the message.

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        Look, fuck this racist asshole Marjory. But liberal news sources are also largely garbage. The NYT, for example (well respected by liberals) is constantly giving voice to reactionaries, lying by omission, supporting US imperialism and just generally upholding the status quo, even when it means normalizing/legitimizing fresh horrors from republicans.

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        Putting the new York times and fox news in the same category is correct as far as I can tell. I don’t oppose her calling NYT republican either.

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        I have not looked at the American mainstream press for a few months, but honestly cannot remember any broadcasters or papers who are decently covering all news

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      I prefer “stopped clock,” since broken clocks can often continue ticking, albeit at the wrong speed.

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        A broken clock, whether it ticks too fast or too slow, is still right at least once every 24 hours, I think.

        The only exception would be one that ticks correctly but is not set to the right time (does this count as broken?)

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          If it ticks faster than time than it would be right more than once (24hr time) a day, the faster it ticks the more times it will incidentally be correct (perhaps there is an allegory here…)

          A clock that ticks slower than time would be right less than once a day, but it can never…

          I feel like I need a simulator to understand this relationship actually…

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            I was thinking of analog 12hr clock with no distinction between AM and PM

            I wonder if your 24hr clock example would be more intuitive as frequencies and phases?

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              I was also visualizing the round analogue clock face, but didn’t want to muddy the water by saying “twice” when I guess it’s technically only once, just no am/pm delineation.

              I am puzzling over this at work now. I guess a fast clock could be right almost infinite times a day if it ran fast enough, but a slow clock can only be as slow as a whisper faster than stopped, which would mean it could be right alllllllllllllmost twice a day, but never twice a day.

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            Where in my comment did I ever suggest that I don’t understand this?

            I was just reflecting on the comment that I was responding to, which was specifying that a broken clock may be running fast or slow, instead of being stopped.

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          She probably gets a couple softball questions right from time to time :

          🗣 " Today is Thursday, right?"

          🧟‍♀️ “Yessssssss!”

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      She already opposed “anti-BDS” laws that would criminalize Americans for publicly declaring that they will not buy products for political reasons.

      While she is a terrible person all around, she is consistent in asking “does this help America” in her idea of what “America” is supposed to be.

      Evidently wasting billions on Israel, getting US soldiers killed and forbidding people in the US from voicing their opionion including on what to buy and not to buy is detrimental to the US.

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      you weren’t paying attention then, once she said JEWISH space lasers she was fucked