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    Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.

    -Somebody with the wherewithal probably

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    No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!

    I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>

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    I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.

    they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.

    this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.

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      Like he’s literally a comp sci nerd who reads books. Literally how can they make him into a bad guy?! everything I learn about him makes me even more down diabolical

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    I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.

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      I think this is why there’s a common narrative on the internet that this “evidence” was planted to frame a random dude.

      It’s fair to call that a conspiracy theory at this point, but hopefully due process will reveal the truth.

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      You don’t understand.

      The fact that he wrote a manifesto meant he wanted to get caught. The taking the murder weapon and the manifesto to the McDonald’s was his way of saying he had gotten bored waiting for the cops to catch him. He pretty much turned himself in.

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      Don’t be disappointed. I guessed he was going to do this, and for good reason. His options were to either, live a life in fear, worrying that one day he would be caught, or, to basically give him self up, and elect for a Jury trial. Jury nullification is one os the most powerful tools available to the average, non-rich american. If he goes through the trial and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror), then hes a free man, a folk hero, and he sets the precident that killing rich murderers isn’t an automatic crime.

      What he’s doing is the smartest available option, please donate to his legal defense fund.

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        and gets acquited (which only takes 1 juror)

        Unfortunately this is not true. 1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial

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          Have you ever been on a jury? In my experience it’s 2-4 strong personalities and a bunch of people confused by lawyer speak (because two confident authority figures are telling them to believe e two different things and they can’t reconcile the contradiction) and people who just want to go home and thus go along with the strong personalities.

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            … Right, so therefore

            1 juror alone can hang the jury, but they’d have to convince all the other jurors to actually render a verdict of not guilty to avoid a mistrial

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            Isn’t it always said that jurys are made up of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.

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      I almost want to believe this guy saw how similar he was to the photos and how famous the shooter was getting and decided to take the fall by wandering around in public with some incriminating circumstantial evidence until someone reported him so he could take the credit.

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      You’re supposed to grow the beard before and shave it off after. Its much faster to shave it off than grow it back

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      The gun is planted. They just found a crazy guy in order to convince everyone that they actually found the culprit.

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        I find that kind of unlikely. If they wanted to frame someone just to have a killer, they wouldn’t be talking about a “3D printed ghost gun”, but just use a regular gun. I, for one, haven’t known that it’s possible to 3D print a pretty well working, and silenced, gun. And that might inspire someone - acquiring weapons is the harder part of any such murder, assuming you don’t want to get caught, and the fact that you can get it without anyone knowing about it makes it way easier.

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          People misunderstand 3d printed guns. We use mostly normal gun parts bought anywhere, but legally the pistol handle is considered the gun, and the most popular commercial ones have been plastic for decades. So 3d print that glock frame and put a glock slide on it and you’ve got a cheap glock (and outside of like 3 States, that’s totally legal).

          There’s fairly large 3d printing gun communities, mostly because it’s just fun to build things.

          3d printed silencers are much more rare / fragile because those are illegal to make without ATF approval and silencers need to withstand heat and pressure, so the typical plastic can’t withstand prolonged use.

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          They know the guy is a engineer. They came up with the 3D printed gun because it fits with the character, and gives politician an excuse to ban 3D printers all together, “for our safety!”.

          I’m speculating and being a conspiracy theory, but in theory this could make sense. Nobody will ever find out the truth, I’m afraid.

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          Just yesterday this video of Mike Shake popped in my feed: https://youtu.be/tHzuz09l41U

          Essentially a sniper rifle with compressed air able to propel a 3d-printed bullet at sub-sonic speeds able to break a simulated skull. And it penetrated hard enough to for sure cause major complication for the target. Not to mention that lead slugs can easily be made DIY without much complications and skill. Lead can be melted pretty easily so lol.

          Not much to do besides being able to cut a pipe, make a release mechanism and compile it all with a projectile to shoot. Done is your makeshift weapon.

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        To my knowledge, he claimed specifically the money in his bag was planted. Specifically they said there was US and foreign cash in his bag. The fact that Luigi is denying the cash but admitting to the gun and manifesto. To me I think he knew he was going down… but I would be far from supprised if the money was planted either to raise it up to 1st degree murder… or while I’m very far from legally qualified… if they could try and claim he was doing a job for an enemy of the US, could they buypass the trial?

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        If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve? Or is this a one-and-done thing?

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          If they did that and the real killer killed again, what would that achieve?

          More dead CEOs, I guess. I’m down with that.

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            I doubt you will be when the costs of everything go up due to all the corporations hiring massive security teams.

            Something that doesn’t seem to occur to so many of you and something most of you have no response to. In fact, the only response I occasionally get is that it’s worth the cost, which seems to go against the whole reason for the assassination in the first place.

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              How much do you think it costs to hire a security detail? I’m pretty sure security for the entire C-suite would be a tiny drop in the bucket for most mega-corporations.

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                  If they could squeeze out an extra dollar then they would already do so. They don’t need to justify it as “increased security costs”.

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          Not that I’m fully on board with the theory, but you might be surprised how often “solving” a high profile case is placed above actually getting the right man.

          This is a publicity nightmare for the police, and getting someone in custody “achieves” placating the public and key stakeholders.

          Repeating things about this kids views on the Uni-bomber and referring to his writings as a manifesto “achieves” diminishing his status as a folk hero.

          So while I won’t endorse any particular theory until more evidence comes out, it wouldn’t be the first time putting a scapegoat in jail was deemed more important than letting people think the “perp” got away. Even if the hypothetical real shooter kills again, controlling the narrative can be it’s own goal in cases like this.

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    He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.

    Publish it then.

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    Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.

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      America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.

      That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.

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        It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos

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      Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.

      Basically we are built by our material conditions.

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      Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.

      Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.

      Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.

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            With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.

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                The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.

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              I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.

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          No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.

          Edit: To be clear, I spent 4 years working at one. Good people, bad people, but not much economic sophistication in either group.

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            Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.

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          They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!

          Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?

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        I don’t. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.

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          Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.

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        Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…

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        that person might get 60k…

        maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.

        but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.

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          If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.

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          shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class

          Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”

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            Family supposedly owns a country club. Prominent baltimore family. If that is so, that is definitely up there in the capitalist class and not working class. Still was rooting for him. Just would have alot cooler if was a working class guy.

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              He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.

              He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.

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          Some people think anyone whose parents actually owned a house are “the elites”.

          No. The CEO earned more in a year than even someone with a six figure salary would earn in a lifetime.

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              Maybe his family did, but judging by his work history, he wasn’t personally wealthy enough to be owning a country club.

              If he was “owns a country club” rich, his work history would mostly just say “Owner and CEO of whatever country club”.

              There’s no reason to work any sort of normal job if you have that kind of income rolling in.

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              Could well be in debt up to their eyeballs and barely making a profit, for all we know.

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            I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.

            Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”

            I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

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            To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.

            For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.

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            Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.

            It is absolutely in society’s interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.

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                Luigi wasn’t really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.

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                  And that’s because it’s not his job to do so. Not every problem needs to be solvable by any given individual.

                  If he really was that passionate about the problem, he should’ve run for office to get into a position to solve the problem, or at least joined forces with some group that pushes for causes he believes in. Or started a business to compete with those businesses he disagrees with. Those would all be proactive steps he could take. Killing a CEO doesn’t solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.

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            We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?

            I don’t like it, but this is our world right now.

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            What about the cheering on of murder in the street?

            Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.

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            The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.

            The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.

            And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.

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      $50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time

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      One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.

      But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.

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      We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…

      I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s

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      Idiot yes but we can’t be too harsh on the pedon… so much education needs to be done, and these recent events is a good time for outreach and education.

      Unity is the message. Luigi did the hard work, least the plebs can do it show some solidarity.

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          Tell that to the social Democrats that build labor rights brick by brick a century ago. A lot of times they litterally starved on strike.

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            You’re right. But they would have literally starved or been mangled by a machine if they had done nothing. Back then, the greatest weapons the top 1% had were hired guns.

            A century ago, your choices were to die today on strike, or die tomorrow from starvation or work conditions, even if you play by the rules. Now, the greatest weapon the 1% has is complacency. You can die today on strike or you can play by the rules and the corporate overlords will feed you just enough until you become too expensive to feed.

            How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative? Complacency is a killer.

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              How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative?

              I know this was more of a rhetorical question, but for anyone who is legitimately asking this question: you show them that it’s not actually a binary choice. There’s options like communism and unionization that can both protect them and feed them.

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                The best part of long-term solutions is that they’re actually solutions. The worst part about immediate satisfaction is that it’s only immediately satisfying. If someone has an immediate problem, it’s hard to get them to look at long-term solutions.

                Sorry, I’ve been a major downer today…

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          in practice it do seem like that…

          But the Adjuster was from well off family, and not all of us dirt poor… i don’t blame the snitch here.

          I do expect most people to be able to do their part tho… if wage slaves can’t rally around this, we gonna have another generation of the fuckening.

          make no mistake, the owner class will punish us hard for this.

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            I don’t blame the worker either. I don’t know their story, but if someone told me that I could either keep my mouth shut or feed and care for my family, I’d probably get chatty too. $60K isn’t enough to feed you for life, but it’s enough to get reliable transportation, clear a little debt, and buy a little time and cloth to interview for a job that pays better than McDonald’s.

            What I’m saying is that it’s really hard to live by high standards when getting fired from your shitty-ass job could destroy, yet it doesn’t pay enough for you to escape. Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.

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              Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.

              Ok, where are you going with this?

              middle 60% of america can’t afford to not be a bootlicker?

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                The middle class income ranges from $17k per person up to $90k per person. I hope you don’t think that I’m trying to belittle anyone. Someone making 90K can definitely afford to not be a bootlicker; a family of four averaging nearly $17K per family member is gonna have a much harder time.

                The year that I lost my shit-paying job only to find an even worse-paying job with more hours was really fucking tough. If you’d offered me $60K legally when I was making $12K and scrambling for rent, I’d’ve had a really hard fucking time saying no to that. Back then, I was living alone and had very little to live for. Drop me into my current living arrangement and sub that situation: I’m saying yes to the money 80% of the time.

                I wish I could say that I’m better than that, but struggling in a capitalist society makes you sick, scared, and desperate really fast. I’m not saying that people with lower income deserve lower expectations or should live by lower standards. I’m just saying to reserve your judgement before shitting on someone and labeling them a snitch before you know whether they could have afforded anything else.

                For those of us who can afford class solidarity against the top 1%, we need to remember that the most vulnerable need to be helped up, not stepped on. Instinctually blaming this McDonald’s worker helps the billionaires class far more than many of us may realize.

                Maybe I’m off-base, but ultimately, this act of betrayal is unlikely to have an effect on the momentum of this potential movement. Whoever killed Thompson is unlikely to act again, their message was unlikely to be heard while they were in hiding, and if they are the hero everyone believes they also likely would forgive someone who was trying to de-shittify their life a little bit.

                If you want this to move forward, pull those below you up so they can join us, not attack them for being on a lower level. Class solidarity is for those who can afford it. It sounds like you and I can afford it, so help someone else be able to afford it. Don’t shun people who are too scared of starving to fight. Feed them.

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      Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.

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      Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.

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          Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.

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    Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.

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        And here’s your 12 jury members…

        Oh, it’s Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,

        …I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters “Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict”?

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          it would have to be 12 CEOs but they deff aint got to be proper owner oligarch… just scrape some middling f500 roaster with some “nonames”

          but yes valid point… but defense can generally strike some of these.

          this guy going to need proper counsel, I am assuming fun raising won’t be an issue. he deserves the best.

          coupled with proper PR campaign on socials since TV will try to destroy him.

          this jury must not convict because the glove don’t fit hehe

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            Plenty of lawyers, at least some of them talented, will offer to defend him for free.

            It could make their career.

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              defense of this scale will require several million dollars, nobody will do that for free.

              also, defending this guy will make you enemy of the owner class. top talent will opt out.

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              I am not going to watch 70 minutes movie, but according to brief skimming through the discussion it’s about business practice of the Microsoft from times of windows 3.11

              I am talking about his today’s undeniable philantropic work and the fact is he is really far from the rest of the people on your list.

              People are allowed to evolve and if every billionaire in the world would evolve I’m the same direction he did, world would be better place.

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                It’s a podcast and you can listen while doing other things. 70 minutes isn’t very long.

                You can deny his recent philanthropic work because his libertarian mentality corrupts it. He helped fund covid 19 vaccine research, but also demanded that the patents not be released, so profit could be made. This is in direct contrast to the lead scientist of the poli vaccine opening it up for anyone to make, comparing the ownership of a vaccine to trying to own sunlight.

                While there’s evidence that Gates did not participate in Epstein’s parties, he did know about and choose to stay silent.

                Gates is a full blown elite larping as a humanitarian when the role of his foundation should be occupied by a tax funded gov org.

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        Fortunately in criminal trials if the Jury can return a not guilty verdict, that’s game over for the states case. Double jeopardy they can’t retry.

        Now if one guy on the Jury opposes a guilty verdict, and no verdict is reached, then the state can retry.

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          They could also go after him with Thompson’s family in civil suit to destroy him financially, which it turns out is not double jeopardy

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          I mean… it does seem pretty fair? If the jury is hung it’s up to the state to retry. If the jury comes back not guilty then that’s the end of it.

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    There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??

    Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.

    This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.