• fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 hours ago

    It’s cool and all to dunk on their logical fallacies, but don’t think for one second that their poor wording will stop them from enacting untold violence against trans people.

  • dodekaphilist@lemmy.world
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    That’s not true though. Sex is defined by the chromosomes, not the organs and they don’t suddenly change after 6 weeks. This definition however leaves intersexual people out, but that’s certainly intentional

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      Males are just females with one badly deformed X-chromosome, a dick and a ridiculous amount of testosterone.

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    …that’s not how that works.

    Early stages of development are bipotential, which means they could develop either way, they’re not initially female.

    Around 6-7 weeks, if carrying a Y chromosome carrying the gene SRY, they develop into testes. If there are two X chromosomes, then ovaries develop.

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    7 hours ago

    The fem-cel community has already accepted me even though I’m a cis straight white guy who’s asexual (so voluntarily celibate) but I’m happy I can now finally check one box and accept myself as a femcel.

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    Maybe this will help now to make visible the issues of the new female population

    The new female population makes up, worldwide about 75% to 80% of all the suicides

    They also die nearly 6 years before the old female population

    The new female population, also gripes with mental health professionals usually offering the same options for treatment to old and new female population.

    Not only that, when controlling for job title, experience and education as well as number of hours worked the pay gap is only 1%, between the old female population, which in that case earn 99 cents for each dollar earned by each member of the new female population.

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    What a roundabout way to get unisex bathrooms.

    Congratulations to women, your public bathrooms will be less crowded. To my trans brothers and sisters, see you at the sink!

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    I was under the impression that the sperm that fertilizes the egg carries either an X chromosome or Y chromosome and that’s what determines male or female. So that would mean conception is in fact when this gets decided, no? What am I missing here?

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      You’re not missing anything, you’re more informed on this, or less willing to play a half truth for political points.

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      You can have XY chromosomes and develop a vulva and uterus. The determining factor is activation of the SRY gene of an XY karyotype then develops as a male. These individuals generally don’t experience puberty without hormone replacement therapy, due to the lack of hormone producing gonads.

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      Sex isn’t directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs. This works for most people, but embryonic development is like most things complicated and there are a lot of factors that make it more difficult than “male” and “female”. Examples are people with more than 2 chromosomes or that have absorbed a sibling in the womb. Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.

      So when the doc takes a look just before 6 weeks, she must declare “the embryo has ovaries and no testes - female” at every single person. At literal conception: “Idk know, man, it is just 1 cell”.

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Sex isn’t directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs.

        I mean that’s how it’s usually observed, but not how it’s determined. Those sex organs get there somehow. The general rule is that if you have a heightened level of androgens and nothing preventing you from responding to them at a certain point in fetal development then you develop male sex organs, if not you develop female sex organs. Barring some other medical disorder, those heightened androgens that masculinize the fetus are triggered by the action of the SRY gene on a Y chromosome.

        Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.

        If you include absolutely everything, yeah. But someone with Klinefelter’s is in terms of sexual function male (if less fertile), someone with XXX is in the same way female, XX people with CAIS are in the same way female, etc. Cases where there’s ambiguity in sexual function are much more rare.

        But really all this is like making the argument that gloves shouldn’t come in pairs with five fingers per glove because rarely people are born with syndactyly, polydactyly, etc. Like the definition Trump uses is stupid and wrong (not least because no one is producing gametes at conception) and it’s at least even odds it makes him non-male since at his age he’s probably shooting blanks, but to pretend that sex in humans doesn’t come in two categories and an assortment of rare conditions in which something went wrong genetically or developmentally is kinda silly.

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          Your Gloves comparison is pretty flawed, though.

          We don’t require everyone to wear a pair of gloves at all times. We don’t put glove data on legal forms, we don’t use gloves to classify a critical element of our sense of self. We don’t make changing your glove type illegal, costly, or incredibly difficult. We don’t make getting 4 or 6 finger gloves illegal. We don’t force people with 6 fingers to get one chopped off. We don’t exclude people who are missing a hand entirely from society. We don’t publicly demonize people with 4 fingers.

          Yes, the proportion of people impacted is small, but the impact to those people is not. We can’t just call it “Good enough” because it works for 99% of the population when the 1% it definitely doesn’t work for is being absolutely ruined by it, especially if the exceptions that serve that small population are being systematically eliminated so that their existence is either suffering or criminality.

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      which i’m pretty sure were a direct response to the rising discourse on gender and transphobia….

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    This was the only possibility for the Incel Movement to ever get touched by a women female. Congrats to them.